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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

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rootypig · 26/05/2014 16:09

Daily Mail is framing a teenage girl as being at the root of the Santa Barbara shootings, because she 'teased' the perpetrator (according to his 'manifesto'). They have posted pictures of her (with her face pixelated, some concession), in varying states of undress, of course (bikinis, short shorts, things that best fit the narrative).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639555/Meet-model-named-Santa-Barbara-killer-reason-saw-women-mean-cruel-heartless-creatures.html

I loathe them already, but this has shocked me. The poor girl. How can they get away with this?

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PetiteRaleuse · 31/05/2014 17:21

It's not stupid to have an opinion about it. It would be stupid not to. But the PCC and it's successor won't be able to adjudicate on feelings created by vicious slants on articles unless you are directly impacted. The press have more freedom to say what the fuck they want than the beoadcast media who are supposed to remain factual and non biased.

MadameDefarge · 31/05/2014 14:44

Its about societal tolerance...the DM being the DM about trivial things we can just roll our eyes. The DM being the DM even about quite serious issues and continuing their anti-woman stance is really really annoying, but to map that agenda onto the murder of women takes it to a whole new level of grotesquery, and kind of strips away our habituated eye rolling response because it reveals the bare bones of the DMs agenda.

rootypig · 31/05/2014 07:56

(The point about my degrees simply being that the PCC structure relies on reader / citizen participation, and being made to feel stupid for having an opinion about it kneecaps the model which is precisely what they want)

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rootypig · 31/05/2014 07:51

Interesting Madame. I thought about it. Tbh, when the thread was in chat, responses dried up. Presumably being marked feminism puts people off the thread. I think the anti DM headline communicated a similar thing - perhaps that is what I should have been more considered about in the first place. But this is part of our problem, surely.

Thanks for the support everyone. I have two social science degrees including one very relevant to the PCC code. And yet am still easily cowed by the sort of responses I've had on this thread. As long as 'codes' are defended in such an unthinking way, we haven't a hope.

The PCC DOES has an obligation to have regard to the ECHR, all public bodies do, this was one of the main provisions of the Human Rights Act 1998. That fact alone should encourage anyone to email them.

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PetiteRaleuse · 30/05/2014 23:46

I don't think MN are bff with the dm.. It's unlikely to happen.

GinnelsandWhippets · 30/05/2014 22:59

Yes Madame, a webchat would be awesome, not sure the Dm are up to it though.

Don't know if this has been posted already but I rather liked this article on this shooting, and the worrying culture of misogyny and entitlement that surrounds it. www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/27/your-princess-is-in-another-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds.html

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 22:47

I do wish you had left the thread where it was though, Rooty.

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 22:45

and not in a pervy way, either.

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 22:44

Indeed, Petite. I daresay if you told him MNHQ hired 'illegal female asylum seekers' he would be round like a shot.

PetiteRaleuse · 30/05/2014 22:43

(And not in a pervy way)

PetiteRaleuse · 30/05/2014 22:43

I am salivating at the thought of a webchat with Dacre :o

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 22:37

It would be marvellous if MN could organise a webchat with a journalist or manager from the Daily Mail...so we could put our issues with them out there and for them to answered fully and with public acknowledgement of their position.

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 22:33

Complaining to the world about the disgusting nature of the DM's coverage might just make a difference. History does at least teach us that protest does influence policy.

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 22:32

Patronising posters because they are not intimately familiar with the code looks rather like a distraction technique - just because they can doesn't mean they should.

WowOoo · 30/05/2014 22:28

Go Rootypig!

I agree with you and lots of other rational posters here. Nothing intelligent to add to the debate.

MadameDefarge · 30/05/2014 22:27

the code can be 'adhered' much in the same way as personal attacks on MN can be reformulated to skate within the guidelines.

PacificDogwood · 30/05/2014 22:19

twittery = twattery

PacificDogwood · 30/05/2014 22:19

"If you believe, however, that there are exceptional public interest reasons for the Commission to proceed with an independent complaint under the circumstances, we would be grateful to hear from you in the next seven days."

"Do you think there is any mileage in me e-mailing to explain that i think "public interest" is not served by an article like this because it adds to a climate where violence against women is made tolerable and acceptable."

Yes.
I think that would be an excellent response. IMO there is a HUGE public interest in stopping such twittery.

It's a great example why 'codes' and legislation only works to a point - if somebody finds a loophole that allows them to follow their own twisted agenda without actually breaking the defined rules, they can without being held to account. Even if it is not in the spirit of the intended rules.
It's frigging disgraceful. Bottom feeders.

rootypig · 29/05/2014 16:01

The courts usually call the cows in from pasture

I don't expect anything to come of it, which is pretty sad, considering the subject matter. I just have my views and my conscience, as we all do.

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PetiteRaleuse · 29/05/2014 15:06

"Public interest" is very vague though. And can be argued til the cows come home.

rootypig · 29/05/2014 14:05

^^ substitute recourse for remedy, I didn't mean the legal sense

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rootypig · 29/05/2014 14:02

"all the complaining to them in the world won't make any difference"

Well that means that there is no remedy, and that is why your dear PCC is being dispatched. The fact that my complaint will land in the hands of IPSO can only be a better thing, if not a good one.

Anyway, it makes a difference to me, I would like to voice my protest and since the PCC is the body to which I am expected to complain, complain to them I will.

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snoofle · 29/05/2014 13:56

He wasnt right in the head. End of really.
Except I know a person like this. And for a few years after I knew him well, I used to listen intently to local news whenever an incident anything like this nature happened.

Because I am aware that at some point, it could be him. And there are people like him up and down the country that are scarily not that far away from doing things similar.

Nancy66 · 29/05/2014 13:51

nobody is saying you have to 'bow before its code' - just that it's very clear and if it hasn't been broken then it hasn't been broken and all the complaining to them in the world won't make any difference.

Nancy66 · 29/05/2014 13:45

Thewhole - her dad is a stuntman (or was).

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