This is what misogyny and male entitlement leads to.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638049/7-dead-drive-shooting-near-UC-Santa-Barbara.html

22 yo man murders 7 people as revenge for women not sleeping with him.

"Why are girls sexually attracted to obnoxious, brutish men instead of sophisticated gentlemen such as myself?"

Absolutely AnyFucker. Everyone can see from his "manifesto" ( I hate that it's referred to as that) what he would have done if he had the power and opportunity.
His failing to cause as much death as he wanted to doesn't change the intent.

Here is a good article on how misogyny goes under the radar of most men until something like this happens and even then how it is minimised.

the thread was derailed by certain posters taking offence to the mere comment about middle class women being one of the most privileged groups in the world (whether you think that is relevant to the thread or not, I do) and not what barely anyone would consider 'vulnerable'...I did not attempt to derail the thread it just happened.

I was having a discussion, or does one have to agree with everything everyone else says on here or they are not part of the discussion? Very sisterly behaviour to your fellow women, that is.

I dont see how he has made a martyr of himself....I havn't seen anywhere at all anyone agreeing with what he has done or thinking him some sort of saint.

I honestly just think people are and always have been fucking weird just now we hear about it more often due to the internet etc.

Buffy and AF I've saved the articles to read later with a coffee, thanks for posting them.

You didn't see the facebook page glorifying him then, honey (that took a massive protest and many hours before it was finally taken down)

Remember Raoul Moat and how he was glorified as a hero ? Same thing.

They are very good, KF

Do you think that people instinctively want to deny misogyny because it is the closest to home of all the oppressions? The one that pretty much every person has to confront very personally in the light of people they know and respect, even love? Definitely.

I read both articles, very good. I was thinking about the AF one in the context of a conversation I had with two male friends of DH's. One had been sexually harassed and picked up (literally) in a gay club. He was scared and talking about it. I sympathised and said I had been sexually harassed the night I met DH for the first time. They looked incredulous and said, "that's not the same thing". The man concerned was drink, bigger than me and the attention was unwanted. Only one of them eventually conceded that yes, it did give him an idea of what women feel when unwanted physical contact is forced on them. The other never did.

Sorry about that, Buffy

In general, MrsTP, most men just don't "get it"

The worst haters of women hide their dysfunction from other men. They know their behaviour is wrong, so they save it for when women are alone and unprotected by the gaze of other men.

There is no doubt that this guy was a misogynist. He said he hated women. It's the overriding reason for his actions. However:

"He killed 6 people because he couldn't have access to women's bodies and he felt entitled to that."

He killed 6 people because he had easy access to rapid-firing weapons. This is a real problem in American society and whilst not the reason for his attack, it's a key enabler.

"Why would I start a thread about it on here when its clear as daylight the majority of 'feminists' on this board would rather sweep the issue of poor women being 3 times more likely to be abused under the carpet"

honey I happen to have agreed with quite a lot of what you have written ont his thread, and disagreed with other things. Early in the thread you were clearly being ganged up on because you disagreed with the particular brand of feminism on offer. However, I don't think you're doing yourself any favours with quotes like that above. I'm sure you've done your research. But it is not what this thread is about. If you wish to discuss the issues of social class and wealth on propensity to be subjected to sexual assault, may I humbly suggest that you need to starta new thread to do it and not hijack this one, please?

'of male domination of society'

Hasn't it always been obvious to you society is dominated by mostly males, and well off ones at that? It has to me.

'You didn't see the facebook page glorifying him then, honey (that took a massive protest and many hours before it was finally taken down)'

No I didnt, there are some fucked up people about.

Here is the story, honey

Goldie, I have already said that I will not start a thread as it is clearly not high on the agenda of most posters.

"Goldie, I have already said that I will not start a thread as it is clearly not high on the agenda of most posters."

Indeed, but you persist in coming back to the point and trying to push this thread off topic, which isn't the right way to get support for your point.

As you see from my post, I believe that there is another pressing issue - not an easy one but possibly easier than changing global society - that also needs addressing. Getting guns out of the hands of misogynists and other people that are not of sound mind who go on to commit mass murder.

It was once said by the NRA that 'Guns don't kill people: People kill people'. True, but it'd be a lot harder without a gun - especially to commit a mass atrocity.

honey, if you started a thread about how poor women are less able to escape misogyny, it would attract constructive debate

the way you have debated it here has not been constructive

simply, put, ending many of your posts with "that's not very sisterly, is it" so ner doesn't tend to stimulate healthy narrative, it just doesn't

Really Buffy? Its something I picked up when I was a small child and noticing most politicians on telly were male, and affluent.

'My question was whether so many are invested in glossing over the misogyny involved in this crime because they don't want to be forced to look too closely at this domination and realise what you and I have realised '

There are loads of people including women that don't even play into the notion of misogyny, they are firmly of the belief that men and women are different and social gender roles and the inane sexism everywhere accurately affect that.

When I was raped as a young teenage girl by someone I had had sex with previously (he manipulated me looking back, the twat!) the lack of sympathy mainly came from other teenage girls, I actually had a so called friend say to me it was 'normal for boys to have sex with different girls but not for girls to do the same' (i was apparently a slag and asking for it for having had sex with him previously). She was about 13 years old at the time. The victim blaming that overwhelmingly came from other girls my age made the whole experience much much more traumatic as you would imagine. BAring in mind I am only 22 this wasnt that long ago.

I've no idea if peoples parents put these thoughts into folks head or what but it is extremely common in my view for both sexes to see the roles of men and women as completely different and thus the behaviour of them should be different aswell. I really hate and disagree with this notion by the way, its very damaging in my experience.

Buffy it was worse because they are not gay. When I pressed them on this (not being gay means you didn't want to sleep with that person, nor did I) one of them was confused. The other got it. FWIW, I've been chatted up, albeit politely, in gay clubs too. One of the people concerned actually did a little conscious raising for me. I said, "sorry, I'm straight", she said, "never ever be sorry for who you are".

Article by a male nerd about this and why it is the business of ALL MEN.