This is what misogyny and male entitlement leads to.

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22 yo man murders 7 people as revenge for women not sleeping with him.

"Why are girls sexually attracted to obnoxious, brutish men instead of sophisticated gentlemen such as myself?"

WhentheRed, I think its the other feminists on this board that need to hear that. Generalizations against 'all men' are rife on this board so its nice to hear that atleast someone knows of male 'allies' to feminism.

I wouldnt be surprised if some posters on this thread were shocked there are men whose thoughts and beliefs amount to feminist standards.

honey, you are making stuff up

just because the term "male ally to feminism" has only just been used on this thread does not mean that all of the posters on here aren't aware of their existence

you seem to be under the impression that "radicalised MN feminists" hate all men

it's a very basic error, and buys into MRA bullshit

does it ever occur to you to examine the actual posters that pipe up to agree with some of your more dramatic statements ?

they are very often first time posters, have funny names with numbers on the end, post a few times and then strangely disappear, can be found on other threads being rather creepy (seeing a pattern here...?)

honey, you remind me of one of those desperate women that post in support of men on male-dominated websites that slag off women (especially white middle class women that won't sleep with them). I am sure you will be highly insulted by that, and you should be

in fact, I get the feeling that if I were to search your user name on google, I might find you getting egged on by your "friends" on certain other sites to get a rise out of the uptight middle class mummies

yes, again, you should be highly insulted

if you are anywhere near the strongly opiniated (but sadly misguided) youngster who simply has a bit of growing up to do, I hope you will take this as a bit of friendly (and middle class mumsy) advice

I'm just glad I did all my youthful pontificating offline.

Indeed. How embarassing it would be to look back at it now

The essays are bad enough

How could I be a random poster from another site, I tend to post on the pregnancy part as I'm having a baby soon.

I don't need to justify my reasons for posting online no more than any older woman does, how strange.

WHenthered you dont need to explain to me what a male ally to feminism is, I'm not stupid.

'you seem to be under the impression that "radicalised MN feminists" hate all men'

they are the very ones using 'all men' statements all the time. If they didn't think badly of all men they'd say 'many' 'some' or even 'most'.

ANyfucker you are extremely insulting to presume because you are middle class and older than me that I should shut up, smile and listen to everything you say.

How very classist, ageist and patronizing.

'a lot of women on this board have had a much longer experience of sexism '

It is really, really, truly incorrect to suggest that because a woman is older she has more experience in anything at all. A mid 30s middle class woman in the UK has very very likely never experienced the level of sexism an 18 year old poverty stricken woman in India has.

Night

A 25 year old mother of 3 has more experience of motherhood than a childless 38 year old.

I could go on, but I wont.....

I'd just like to bring it back...

22 yo man murders 7 people as revenge for women not sleeping with him. Unless I am missing something, poverty was not a factor in this but misogyny certainly was.

You are not missing anything, MrsTP.

22Honey, I'm a rape victim, and middle class all my life. Money and class didn't protect me.

Yes, you should shut up. Not because you are a woman and working class - but because you are spouting insulting crap. And because you accused me of something I didn't do/say on that prostitution thread. And you don't care and you didn't apologise.

Sabrina, so sorry.

Thanks, MrsTP. 22Honey is like a loose cannon on these threads. Spewing a load of stuff from her own experience - without ever considering that women on these threads may actually have their own experiences too. Many women who are regular posters on GWR are rape victims/domestic violence victims. exited prostitutes...

But only her experiences are valid??

*FWR

22Honey - you need to do some reading on the subject you so readily spew forth on... you are a young woman whose experiences are, and have been, taken seriously on here. However, you also need to accept other women's lived experiences on here should be taken seriously too.

You are not the only woman to have ever experienced these things. You seem to believe that we have all been living in a protective veil of nunneries or academia or something, and have never experienced the same things as you. Think again.

It's sad that the thread lost it's way. I think this event is important. Partly because lives were lost, people's children were killed. Partly because there was the chance to have a debate about society and culture and porn and MRA culture and entitlement and all the rest. It's been lost, here and in other media, in a storm of whining about why other men shouldn't feel guilty.

"about why other men shouldn't feel guilty."

Should other men feel guilty for the actions of one individual??

The point is that this is an irrelevant question. When I hear about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, I don't whine, "but not all white people", when we discuss the Holocaust, no one moans, "but not all Germans". WTF do I give a tiny shit about whether or not other men feel guilty when we are talking about misogynist murders? Why are we even addressing it?

Honey - It's so rude to keep misquoting me and saying that I said "middle class women are vulnerable". You know that's not what I said.

I said "women are vulnerable". And if you think being middle class stops a woman from being vulnerable then frankly your ignorance is shocking.

The family I have in Somalia that suffer from atrocities most of us here in our privileged state can't comprehend doesn't make the status quo okay. Saying other people have it worse so we should shut up is illogical.