This is what misogyny and male entitlement leads to.

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22 yo man murders 7 people as revenge for women not sleeping with him.

"Why are girls sexually attracted to obnoxious, brutish men instead of sophisticated gentlemen such as myself?"

AskBasil isnt sexual violence treated seperately to random violent attacks?

I really have no idea what you are trying to compare. Is there more random attacks on women than men?

Being female is a massive common denominator in being poor. Worldwide and in the West, women are much more likely to be poor. I think about twice as likely in the States and obviously in countries where they can't own property, inherit or work outside the home, they are 100% in poverty.

scallops, I already know all that. I dont see how it correlates to the discussion, which I see as pointless anyway.

Er, being female is also a common denominator, no?

Jesus christ.

So you think that poverty causes disability, living in a war zone, substance dependence, and being female.

I see

Well you certainly could argue some of those, but generally I think it could be the other way around, maybe... That being female, being substance dependent, living in a war zone or being disabled are contributors to people being in poverty....

'Being female is a massive common denominator in being poor. Worldwide and in the West, women are much more likely to be poor. '

Yes its is MrsTerry but the standard 'its all mens fault' reason for that given on here is just too simplistic and solves nothing.

Sardine Nowhere did I say poverty causes those things, I said its a common co morbid factor. Are you going to say I am incorrect?

What do you actually WANT 22? Egalitarianism? Me too. An end to violence? Me too. A redistribution of power, property and money? Me too. Everyone has access to education, safe housing, a means to work, family life? Me too.

How would you solve it 22honey.

Koala the snarky attitude towards such women has always tended to come from middle class women, yes. But any class of person could be a judgemental snob I suppose.

Yes its is MrsTerry but the standard 'its all mens fault' reason for that given on here is just too simplistic and solves nothing. AHA! There's the nub of it. No, it's not all individual men's fault. It's the patriarchy. It's a societal system that is good for some men with the promise of the status quo being better for all men. It's a system, not blaming the man sat next to me... I think all people should be counted, but not that it is each individual man's fault.

Oh FFS.

So the whole discussion is pointless.

Great. I guess I can go to bed then.

You are incredibly bigoted, 22honey

Or are you trying to say you must hold the radicalised views of many members of this board in order to be a feminist or know 'fuck all' about them?

No not saying that. Saying that you know nothing about class analysis either of social class or sex class. It is evident from the fact that your posts are indistinguishable from the raving MRAs we get on here all the time. You make all the points they make. You should reflect on why you are more concerned about attacking feminists and man-pleasing than you are with opening your eyes are realising the situation women are in in society. You have experienced the entitlement of men to have sex and the consequences of that for women in prostitution. It's a difficult exercise to examine your experiences in the context of your position in society and there is a strong temptation to avoid looking at the problem in the face. I think it's likely that you will change your views as you get older.

'Honey I'm in this board a lot, and I've never seen a feminist say poor women should be sterilised or have their children taken away. I've never seen a feminist accuse you (or indeed any other woman who've worked in the sex industry who has posted here, and there have been a few) of fucking other women's husbands for money. I'm sad and angry on your behalf that women have said these things to you.'

it was a poster called simplesusan, I doubt they were a feminist given their hideous views. My point was it isnt feminists stating to take womens children away etc, but many members of society in general. It is all over threads regarding welfare benefits and unemployment.

I agree that isnt really relevant to this depraved and psychotic murderer.

MrsTerry I'd say capitalism and mass consumerism and materialism doesnt help, either.

'You are incredibly bigoted, 22honey'

Thanks.

'What it doesn't say, is that poorer women are actually more likely to be subjected to abuse'

Yes it does.

'Also, you imply that mainly middle class women (such as the ones in John Worboys' cab) are subject to stranger rape. Is that true?'

No I didn't, I said it is an uncommon form of rape, not that it is more likely to happen to middle class women.

John warboys cab type rapes are rare, and are not representative whatsoever of most women's rape experiences. Thats not the same as it doesnt matter. Infact its one of the only types of rape given sympathy and understanding, despite being the rarest.

''That being female, being substance dependent, living in a war zone or being disabled are contributors to people being in poverty....'

You could take the 'female' out and the human being would still be in poverty. The only argument is that the female in the position would be worse off.

Im not denying its one shit world for women. I know that, but its also a shit world for lots of other people and infact many many women live a very cushty and privileged existence.

My comment was in response to your post of 23:14 where you state that men are more likely to be assaulted than women (not taking into account sexual assault of course)

The who knows the most about feminism award goes to ..... Honey.

The who is the biggest victim award goes to ..... Honey - mostly for her contributions to being working class,.

Congratulations, you win. Sorry, what was the thread about again?

'You need to ask yourself why childcare is not valued as work Honey. Who decided that bringing up the next generation didn't need paying?'

there are plenty of women on mumsnet that love nothing more than berating poor women that 'get paid' (in the form of benefits) for childcare.

You cant get more victim-dom than claiming middle class women in the UK are vulnerable. A ridiculous notion if ever there was one.