Newnight report on brothels

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Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

The Nordic model Whenthered. It would be impossible to police.

And the men pay for my consent! I still give it. That isn't rape at all it's consensual 'paid for' sex.

It's no less possible to police than any other law.

But no one can honestly answer how anyone will know I have just been paid for sex, in either of the places I work from.

The flat where I work from is very discrete and they come in the back entrance from the car park. The parties I work I don't even get given the cash by the men I get it from the organiser or my friend who is with me. So how would the police know?

The police find punters in the same way that punters find you, migsy. They watch for men visiting prostitutes who advertise. The prostitutes aren't doing anything illegal - the men that use them are.

But they will take my income away which is not only punishing me but my child too. They are cutting benefits left right and centre, I know single mothers on the dole and it's not pretty. They really struggle, and one of my close friends who knows I escort, told me she wished she could do what I do.

So yes a law like this is punishing the women who rely on this as the sole source of income.

But the alternative is endorsing sexual inequality for women, and an increase in women being trafficked against their will.

Men shouldn't be legally allowed to use and abuse you, or any other woman like this, migsy. You say it's your choice, but the personal history you've described on these threads belie this. People may want to do all sorts of things to make money that are damaging to society as a whole - and call it 'their choice' - but it doesn't mean the law should endorse it.

Btw - why doesn't your friend do what you do?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones, when I have spoken to her about it in the past she says she couldn't because she couldn't have sex with just anyone or with the amount I do in a day. I understand and respect that opinion, same way I understand that people don't like prostitution.

And before I got into this men were still using and abusing me, I just got nothing out of it, I know that sounds awful but it's the truth. At least this way I can earn some money.

Arresting is one thing, convictions are another.

To get a conviction the sex worker has to testify against the client, and in Sweden that just isn't happening.

UN HIV Law Commission 2012 report, see page 38 for info on the "Swedish model"

www.hivlawcommission.org/resources/report/FinalReport-Risks,Rights&Health-EN.pdf

"They watch for men visiting prostitutes who advertise."

But what if a worker only advertises for time and companionship only and doesn't mention sex at all? The police may well spy on her and track her down (and kick her door down) to get to the client but what if they both deny money was paid for sex? It means no conviction and a massive waste of police time.

If sex workers don't want their clients convicted, don't you see how it really is practically impossible to enforce?

Yes, it sounds awful for you - and you're not alone. A disproportionately large proportion of women in prostitution have been abused as children.

You sound like a nice person, migsy. You don't deserve men using and abusing you.

I'm ignoring the troll bringing up the hiv report yet again.

I think a fairly up to date report by the UN HIV and the Law commission shouldn't be ignored.

If you don't want to click it here is a copy and paste

Sweden’s Alliance of Counties says that resources for social work are scarce, as the money has been siphoned to
policing. In spite of over 2,000 arrests, only 59 clients have been reported suspected of buying occasional sex. Only two
have been convicted, after pleading guilty. No one has been jailed, and only low fines have been imposed, as per the
law. Evidence to prove a crime is nearly unattainable. Workers do not consider themselves to be victims and are almost
always unwilling to testify against their clients.

If a Scandanavian country with a low population density like Sweden isn't having much success, how do you think a country like UK or France that have massive crowded cities would manage?

It's been debunked many a time on these threads filxy.

debunked? how exactly?

Check out the source for the data.

Are you talking about BaySwan, a group made up of sexworkers directed by Carol Leigh who has 20+ years of sexwork experience?

Yes. A pro-prostitution lobbying group based in the US.

It's a group made up of sexworkers.

So how does this "debunk" that report? Are you saying sexworkers are not honest?

The figures they quote don't tally with Sweden's own crime statistics and they have a financial vested interest in prostitution. So, no, I don't trust them.

"I don't trust them."

Because they are prostitutes?

So prostitutes have a " financial vested interest in prostitution"... well it is their job after all. But that isn't proof they lie.

I don't trust them because they are the source of unreliable data.