Newnight report on brothels

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Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

'Sex-worker' can refer to prostitute, pimp, brothel-owner, photographer, advertiser, escort agency owner....

Well ok, prostitutes then.

They are a group of prostitutes. Prostituted women. Whatever you want to call them

They're a US based sex-worker advocate organisation who are the source of inaccurate figures about Sweden to that HIV report.

Still not very impressive regardless. And I wonder how much money and resources were used for all those arrests/attempted convictions and how much police time was wasted spying on prostitutes over the past 15 years?

Gotta love it how you call prostitutes "pro-prostitution advocates" in an attempt to discredit them.

You really hate prostitutes don't you?

It is about achieving an attitudinal change in society

And what change would that be? That prostitutes are less than human and should be purged from society, along with disabled people. Doesn't Sweden have a history of forced sterilization of the disabled and transgenders?

No, the attitudinal change is that women should not be for sale, and punters should be purged from society.

If it's so great how come prostitutes themselves do not support the law?

This is quite a good article explaining the Swedish position

I'm sure you'll read it thoroughly.

I've seen that article before. It's about someone taking a ride in a police car.

What does that tell us about the indoor trade? Nothing.

Oh, and feminists don't hate prostitutes. Punters hate prostitutes:

the-invisible-men.tumblr.com/

how come prostitutes themselves do not support the law?

Just in case you missed it.

And actually there are plenty of feminists who hate prostitutes:

storify.com/itsjustahobby/sex-workers-speak-whenantisattack

An awful lot of exited prostitutes do support the Swedish model - as do organisations supporting trafficked victims and those women who have been damaged by the sex industry.

The answer to that question is also within the article I linked to. It's not just a 'ride in a police car' it has an explanation which answers your question.

The article only talks about prostitution on the street.

"An awful lot of exited prostitutes do support the Swedish model "

Who? Rachel Moran?

I've not seen a single feminist poster on the FWR boards who is anti-prostitute. Anti-pimp, yes, anti-men-who think-it's-ok-to-rape-women-as-long-as-they've-paid-to-do-it (AKA 'punters'), yes, but anti-prostituted women, not once.

If it's so great how come prostitutes themselves do not support the law?

I agree, I don't know a single active prostitute who supports this.

Sweden's own figures show that indoor prostitution has not increased, and that street prostitution has reduced by half. In comparable countries with decriminalisation, all types of prostitution have increased.

Therefore, the Swedish laws are working- prostitution as a whole has neither increased in line with other countries, or been 'pushed underground'.

Furthermore- from that article:

"If a sex buyer can find a prostituted woman in a hotel or apartment, the police can do it," Haggstrom observes sardonically.

"Pimps have to advertise." Specialist officers have been trained to monitor the internet and the police also have access to telephone intercepts, which suggest that traffickers no longer regard Sweden as a worthwhile market. "We've had wiretapping cases where pimps say they don't find Sweden attractive," Haggstrom continues. "Even if they don't get arrested, we arrest the clients. They're in it for the money. For me, this is not an advanced equation to understand."

This is what the Swedish laws set out to - protect the vulnerable and promote equality.

anyway, look: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-call-for-prostitution-to-be-legalised-but-demand-tough-new-penalties-on-pimps-9164069.html

the main task now is to ensure we get proper exit facilities - benefits, retraining, counselling, housing

Like I said arrests are one thing but it's not so easy to get convictions. If most prostitutes don't want their clients convicted then convictions aren't going to happen.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-call-for-prostitution-to-be-legalised-but-demand-tough-new-penalties-on-pimps-9164069.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-call-for-prostitution-to-be-legalised-but-demand-tough-new-penalties-on-pimps-9164069.html

Did you read the case study from "Gemma"?

The whenantisattack hashtag is written by prostitutes about unpleasant things that have been said and done to them. Not by clients but by "antis" (ie those who want criminalization of some sort)

It's not equality if the women get off scot free but the punters get criminalised.

If this law came in over here I would seriously consider moving to a country where it was legal, since my right to work would be infringed.

I still stand by whatever happens between consenting adults should not be the focus of the law. I could become really promiscuous and no one would bat an eyelid, but the moment I sell sex I become vulnerable and in need of protection.

You are vulnerable, migsy. Vulnerable to men that think it's acceptable to pay money to you in exchange for abusing you.

That is not equality.