Newnight report on brothels

[itshardthinkingofanickname]

Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

rhino, rhino, rhino

We've been over this before. If RM is lying, I'm sure the pimp lobby would be able to rustle up someone who worked with her in McDonalds or wherever she was hiding.

As for the woman who claims never to have seen her, there are a number of possibilities:

• she did see her and is lying
• she did see her but can't remember everyone she met in the street 20 years ago when she may have been drunk or on drugs
• she didn't see her but is still telling the truth.

Surely it couldn't be the case that pimp-lobbyists are trying to discredit a woman who is speaking the truth about their business interests?

A recent tweet R. Moran:

"I answered phones in enough brothels to know the most common questions is always "What is the youngest girl you've got?""

reply from Laura Lee:

"I answered phones in real brothels for many yrs in the 90's in Dublin and was never asked that q ONCE. Wouldn't be tolerated."

reply from BelindaBrooks-Gordon:

"Most soho walk-ups would report blokes asking that question. surprised you didnt tske number and report????"

reply from the Real Kat Cooper

"If someone called an escort agency I was running & asked that I'd definitely be forwarding info"

Oh come on Rhino! I know from just reading punternet that men themselves report asking that.

Rachel says one thing.

Confirmed sex workers reply saying the opposite.

And I too am sure that if Rachel was lying, the pro prostitution lobby would have by now come up with proof of what she was doing instead. They can't. Because she is telling the truth.

So men on punternet are lying?

And how do I know those women really have worked in brothels? Because you tell me they have?

Well it is good to know if someone does phone a brothel and ask that his details will be passed onto the coppers.

I'm not sure exactly how often it happens, but looks like it happens practically all the time where Rachel worked but never happened where Laura worked.

It's on Laura Lee's Twitter timeline (date Feb 24th).

I have noticed Rhino that you ignore any questions you can't answer.

"So men on punternet are lying?"

huh? what men?

Men on punternet who say they ask who is the youngest woman in the brothel. The question that you are saying men never ask.

In reality men complain commonly on punternet about women appearing older than they have been told over the phone.

The legal mega brothels have flat rate "promotions". Do whatever you want, with however many women, for one low flat rate.

Laura Lee told the NIA Justice Committee that she has never once made a report to the police about anything. Her evidence was full of holes and contradictions. Perhaps you might ask your twitter friends how many police reports they have made, rhino?

Pimping is against the law, and it's also against the law for more than one worker to work in the same premises.

But maybe it's possible a sex worker may want to employ someone for security or someone to help find customers? In this case it's understandable why she isn't going to report her own security despite the fact it is technically illegal.

And I don't see why women who work together for safety are going to phone the cops and say "we work in a brothel please come and raid us".

Perhaps this may also be why some support decriminalization. Then workers can employ security and work together without needing to hide from the police

"Please come and kick our door down and raid us and take all our earnings and have your male officers see us naked, oh and bring along some photographers to take our photos and put them all over the internet".

Just a wild guess here but I'm betting this is something sex workers don't say. Yet this is the sort of thing that has happened in Soho and the Edinburgh.

rhino @ 18:55: "Well it is good to know if someone does phone a brothel and ask that his details will be passed onto the coppers."

rhino @ 19:08: " I don't see why women who work together for safety are going to phone the cops and say "we work in a brothel please come and raid us"."

What happened over the course of 13 minutes to prompt this turn around?

What turn around? If a potential client expresses an interest in underage sex then of course he should be reported.

But I can understand why sex workers may not report brothels or "pimping" if doing so would compromise their safety.

"In the mega brothels, how is security enforced? Presumably the men are allowed to drink on the premises."

I don't know. I would certainly hope clients drunk or on drugs would be shown the door (and have their photo taken and receive a ban from returning).

In the first post, you are surmising from a couple of random tweets that men who phone brothels asking for young women (note RM did not say underage, she said youngest) would be reported to the police. 13 minutes later you're saying women in prostitution would not call the police. We know your first statement was ludicrous. And you do know there are anonymous tip lines people can call?

Yes I know there are anonymous lines.

But don't you see my point? Brothels and pimping may be illegal, but why would sex workers report their own security ("pimps") or report themselves for working in a brothel or report other women who work in a brothel?