Newnight report on brothels

[itshardthinkingofanickname]

Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

[we see you] puntercornn

You are so unoriginal that you're not even the first punter to accuse Rachel Moran of lying on this thread. We've discussed all this many times before. You can look back and see. I responded at Fri 28-Feb-14 18:49:53 on why Gaye Dalton's claims are not compelling.

The fact that Person A has lied does not by any logic (not even the alternate universe of punter logic) lead to a conclusion that Person B has lied. If the pimp lobby want to persuade anyone other than punters that Rachel Moran is lying, they're going to have to find someone who can say what she was doing during the time she said she was in prostitution. As, in fact, they managed to do with this up till now unknown and irrelevant person in Amsterdam.

Do you see where your logic is failing here puntercornn?

"it's core to the Swedish model that there is support for prostitutes to exit"

That doesn't make sense. The swedish model is expensive to implement and uses up resources that could be used for exit services.

There is no reason why exit services (for those who want or need them) can exist alongside decriminalization or regulation.

Gwan, pepper. Answer garth's question.

gwan, gwan, gwan

@Flora why are you calling prostitutes "pimp lobby"?

gwan, gwan, gwan

ah father ted

gwan then

Kerry, xpost.

Are you a prostitute, then pepper? I think not.

gwan what? The loaded question?

I didn't say I was a prostitute.

Are you a punter?

no.

and to save you asking I'm not a "pimp" either.

Yes pepper - the difficult question that no punter ever wants to answer. The one that when punters answer it, punters like zeffa, their whole story starts to unravel....

Why do you want to fuck women that don't want to fuck you?

It's a loaded question that makes assumptions you don't know are true.

People I definitely don't believe:

Gaye Dalton
Peppercornn

Have you ever paid for sex or for a woman's time or for any intimate massage or other service?

For me, and I can only speak for myself here, I don't think criminalising punters will stop the demand. They will just start ringing from withheld numbers, or the way I'm advertised will be worded differently, and like I've said before I will be working more parties. The demand won't stop as long as there are men around.

I don't know why the need sex as much as they do, but while they continue to need it there will always be women like me.

Exit programmes may help those already in a position where they can think about leaving, to actually leave. I don't know how they would work though, considering all the budget cuts.

sabrina

Why's it loaded? It's perfectly reasonable. Prostitutes don't want to fuck you, peppercornn. They need the money.

So we know why the prostitutes are doing it.

What about the punters?

All of those are loaded questions. I've already said I'm not a punter so none are relevant.

"They will just start ringing from withheld numbers, or the way I'm advertised will be worded differently, and like I've said before I will be working more parties. The demand won't stop as long as there are men around."

I agree. Clients could also ring from phoneboxes, or use a mobile phone with a disposable sim card or something.

I really don't know how they could properly enforce criminalization without putting cameras in every bedroom and hotel room in the country and have someone watching them all to spy on what adults get up to behind closed doors.

migsy criminalising punters will decrease demand. This has been the case in countries which have adopted the Nordic model. Also, in countries which have legalised or decriminalised prostitution, demand has increased. Where punter are asked what would make them stop, a significant number say that if they thought they would be prosecuted or named and shamed, they would stop.

It's not a need, migsy, it's a want combined with a sense of entitlement, that they are entitled to buy the type of women or the type of sex they want regardless of whether the woman wants it. Men don't need sex any more than women do.

migsy why wouldn't you take advantage of an exit programme and become the nurse you dreamed about?

Flora you missed my Q

why are you calling prostitutes "pimp lobby"?

migsy, they don't need sex, they want it. They feel entitled to it. Criminalising the punters does stop an awful lot of them feeling that entitlement.