Newnight report on brothels

[itshardthinkingofanickname]

Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

Because given where Migsy is - trapped in a cycle of debts by her pimp - she is having trouble (which she admits herself) seeing further than her immediate situation. Frankly, you focusing on that one comment in the light of the rest of her posts is a bit like someone saying to a woman in an abusive marriage "well, you've said you love him, and you can't leave, so I don't see what your problem is."

As for Edinburgh students' union debating society - well if it's anything like most student debating societies I've encountered, it will be full of little embryonic right wing libertarian ideologues with no social conscience whatsoever, so I can't say I'm surprise, but I can't see why any normal thinking person would put much weight on their opinion, or take them to be representative of all the students there, or society at large.

So, if you're not a punter or a pimp, why do you have so much invested in defending a pretty woman view of prostitution?

If I was so in fear of my pimp friend that I felt pressure to go back to work two weeks after a c section, I might be on here advocating repeal

.. Of the NMW regulations so I could scrape the extra fiver for a night leafleting or something in order to meet my "debts" that day.
Doesn't mean that would be a freely arrived at political position.

I'm a bit late to the thread, but interested. I live in Germany and I find it quite bizarre and unsettling how open the sex industry is - I can think of three strip clubs alone that I pass on my way into town and they are not subtle, all illustrated with pictures of women in sexual positions, usually just in their underwear. DS hasn't asked questions (yet) but I don't know what to tell him if/when he does. So to ignore it, which then paints it as normal? I don't know what is worse.

Also find it a bit creepy that there are brothels (I presume) advertised on the panels at the ends of trolleys at one of the supermarkets near here. Just weird and a bit gross TBH.

Just read the thread and want to wish migsy all the best. My dear, your 'friend' is not a friend, you are his meal ticket. I hope you can get out and stay safe. For your sake, and for your baby's too.

From what I can see (with the sole exception of Rachel Moran), every single supporter of the Nordic model is someone who isn't a current or former sexworker.

You're not paying attention then. Not surprising as you clearly are applying selective hearing / thinking (I'm being charitable here).

Migsy make that call as soon as you can, they will give you clear advice appropriate to your current situation. They will have seen it a million times before and will know exactly how to handle it. They often ask to call you back so think about when and where. Get another phone if it's safer.

I left this tab open and he's seen what I wrote. He was angry and said he's not a pimp and he's just trying to help me out and if I was that unhappy I should take the baby and leave now, he knows I have nowhere to go! He stayed over last night and has gone out tonight but will be back later, I'm just going to keep my head down for a bit.

I've opened this up in the private browsing mode, I never thought to close it down, I know he checks the laptop so I'm an idiot! Hopefully this will all blow over and things get better.

Migsy are you safe?

Yes thanks I'm safe. I'm going to try and see if I can have a break, I need some time away from here. I've got a friend down in London I can go and stay with so will ask if I can go there for a bit. Even if it's just a few days, I need some time off. I never get a break.

I think that is a good idea.

All the Nordic model does is criminalizes consenting adults.

There are already laws in place to deal with trafficking and pimping.

It is illegal to be a pimp in the UK (where migsy is). So why are you advocating this Nordic model when we already have the law to save migsy if she really is under control by a pimp.

Why don't we enforce the laws we already have? If migsy has a pimp then the pimp is committing a crime. How come none of you have reported this pimping to the cops to rescue migsy?

Don't report anything please I can deal with this. Plus I will get into all manner of shit here!

Terri, the cops need something more to go on than a user name on a forum. Which I'm sure you can figure out for yourself.

MN has IP addresses which can be traced.

I'm just wondering why you are advocating so strongly for more laws (ie the nordic model) when there are already laws in place to help those in need.

So if you are certain this chap is a pimp why are you not reporting it?

He's not a pimp. I know I need some time out and I will sort it, talking on here has really helped me. I just don't want the police involved, I'm sure you can understand that.

For one, because migsy has asked us not to as she is frightened of the man.

For two, because MN wouldn't use IP addresses in that way.

By the way, people were advocating the Nordic model before migsy joined the thread, y'know.

Migsy, Terri doesn't have your best interests at heart. Please stay safe

If the police ask a website for a member's IP address the website is legally obliged to hand it over.

So are you saying you don't want pimps to be criminalized at all? Then instead of advocating the nordic model why not advocate decriminalization?

[weseeyou]

www.derailingfordummies.com

As this thread has now been exposed I think you need a namechange and a new thread Migsy. Feel free to pm me. You've probably had all the advice I can give you now anyway!