Newnight report on brothels

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Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

grimble someone put it on Fscebook
www.facebook.com/equalitynoworg

and yes Flora - it is quite astonishing what people can justify

but having said that, there are genuine concerns about the Swedish/Nordic Model and they must be acknowledged or the pozzies have ammunition

Thanks Julia.

I had forgotten or blocked out the sight of the 'hooker wagons' in lay-bys in Germany. Not just in Cologne either, they are everywhere. That article was hard to read, I thought the pimp lobby wanted us to believe that it would all be wonderful with no regulation? Germany has some regulation and it's awful. It comes as no surprise to me that most of the paradise clubs are within easy driving distance of US military bases.

very revealing, isn't it? two different examples, both with fairly hideous results

And thanks for posting the link Julia

As if anyone chooses freely to have six different men humping away at them every night. And that argument completely ignores the power dynamics at play between men and women and the fact that women are having their bodies violated/penetrated in a way that men just do not during sex.

I choose that. I may be having my body penetrated but its not being 'violated'. I'm not being abused, I'm having sex. I just wish people would look at it from our point of view.

migsy86 - since I was on that other thread & it's kind of hard to forget your posts...
It's good to hear that you're on a list for counselling.
Please remember that you can also call the Rape crisis helpline if you want. You don't have to tell them about your job - and if you do, I really don't think they will judge.
Talking to an understanding person about my shitty past has really helped me move on.
That is why I want to remind you of this option.

I think that if you have to switch off in any way, emotionally and/or physically, to do what you do, Migsy, to not be affected by what those men want from you and how they treat you, you are being violated.

migsy when I try to look at this from your point of view, I think about you being gang-raped as a young teenager, having a "friend" who drives you to gang bangs and brings you men and takes his cut from the money you get to dissociate yourself from the reality of the men having sex on you. When I look at this from your point of view, I would rather that little girl grew up to be the nurse she dreamed of being.

"The people who, ime, stigmatise prostitutes more than any other group are the men who use prostitutes"

It isn't clients the workers refer to on the hashtag whenantisattack.

storify.com/itsjustahobby/sex-workers-speak-whenantisattack

"Do you support the repeal of the street solicitation provisions?"

I still think indoor sexwork is safer than outdoor sexwork and I used to think making it illegal on the street was the answer.

But then I read this by MSP Jean Urquhart (who is now advocating for complete decriminalization):

"A subsequent crackdown on kerb-crawling in 2007 led to sex workers reporting a 95% increase in incidents of violence over 12 months."

filxiler. We know what sort of man you are. It's not one that respects women.

silly silly filxiler can't follow the links posted by whenthered.

"read the Invisible Men thread for the comments on the hashtag."

I did but the only comment I could find was someone saying it wasn't proven the people saying and doing those things to the sexworkers were feminists or not.

Regardless if they are "feminist" or not it is clear they are antis and not clients.

@Sabrina that was unproductive and doesn't contribute anything.

I think your hashtag thing has been done to death now, and shown to be less than reliable, whereas p*net shows a different story.

As you seem to be deliberately failing to understand, I shall put it simply for you.

Not one, single, solitary feminist on this thread or any other I have seen on this board has anything against the women being prostituted. What we have a problem with is men who feel they are entitled to buy the prostituted woman's consent, that they are entitled to use another human being's body to orgasm.

No attacks on the women. None. Get it now?

" and shown to be less than reliable"

Are you saying the prostitutes who posted on that hashtag are making things up?

Don't you have a problem with the antis who are doing and saying those horrible things to those in prostitution?

example from Brooke Magnanti:

"Such as the letter sent to my work from a sex work prohibitionist: "I hope you get AIDS and die" Postmarked World AIDS Day. "

Well just read this-

"A subsequent crackdown on kerb-crawling in 2007 led to sex workers reporting a 95% increase in incidents of violence over 12 months."- Jean Urquhart 2014

We see you, filxiler. You have sex with women who don't want sex with you. Either that, or you spend an inordinate amount of time sticking up for men who do. And if it's the latter, I would wonder why you do that.

We see you - this is not about the desperate women who will take your cash. This is not about women who like sex a lot. This is about you. And men like you.

"Such as the letter sent to my work from a sex work prohibitionist: "I hope you get AIDS and die" Postmarked World AIDS Day. "- Brooke Magnanti.

"A recent email suggested I should be gang raped while my husband is made to watch, then killed. Thanks, anti-sex workers!"- Another from Brooke Magnanti

Consciousness@pastachips
"Group that Stella tried to out me to still post her articles, coz appaz trying to ruin a SWs life for fun is no big deal." (out means to publicly expose)

False Consciousness@pastachips
Okay, I'll bite. "You sound like a man ... or a pimp." (Responding to a blog post in which I discuss, uh, being raped.) #whenantisattack

Anarchist Whore@AnarchaSxworker
""cum receptacle" "rape object" "piece of meat" "

ManCrack@ManCrack
#whenantisattack "I hope your children reject you. You should never have been allowed to have kids in the first place.clearly you're unfit."

Is this ok? If comments are cherry picked from things punters have said you're prepared to discuss it in a thread that received 1000 replies. But you go quiet if comments are cherry-picked from antis.

Laura Lee @GlasgaeLauraLee
"Putting dog dirt through my letter box"

And it isn't just words.

Come on, filxiler. You've seen our posts to Migsy, and others on here. You know we don't threaten prostitutes like that.

Why don't you try addressing our points rather than accusing us of things we haven't done?

So. You have sex with women you have to pay?

filxiler.... do you have an example of similar from a single feminist on a single thread on this board? No, I didn't think so.

I have no proof either way that the things said on your hashtag are true and nor do you. That seemed to be the basis for all the apologists on the Invisible Men thread, that they must all be fakes, despite being able to prove they weren't.

Anyway, about your feelings of entitlement to have sex with women who will only do that if you pay them.

""cum receptacle" "rape object" "piece of meat" "

Who makes them that? The punters, that's who.