Newnight report on brothels

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Worth £16 billion in Germany. Legal to "make it safer".

Interview with 22 yr old Hannah. 6 men per night, earns 100 to 1000 euros per night,

Talking about should it be illegal in the UK and the fact that brothels are safer than the streets. They have super brothels in Germany.

I'm not accusing you. You might not personally do that but there are some who do.

Just like not all clients are like the ones in the invisible man project.

""cum receptacle" "rape object" "piece of meat" "
"Who makes them that? The punters, that's who."

But it wasn't a punter who called the prostitute those horrible words.

I'm trying to understand this entitlement stuff. I don't get how by paying someone for sex makes them entitled for anything?

All the men on p*net are like that. Whether they write the loveliest review or some of the sick shit that ended up on the Invisible Men project, they all, every single one of them commodified women.

Their choice to buy consent.

Their choice to treat women as a series of orifices to be used as they see fit.

Punters, men, stigmatising, seeing them as lesser, other, a thing to be bought and sold.

It is a punter that makes them that though. That is a punter's mindset - otherwise he wouldn't feel able to do what he does. Anti-prostitution campaigners don't make women into "cum-receptables" do they? The punters do.

So filxiler - you have sex with women who don't want to? You pay them so they will?

Nothing is ok about street prostitution, but look at the quote above by Jean Urquhart.

And no I'm not a client.

I'm not agreeing with Urquhart's position because I want women to be on the street I agree with it because I want violence to be reduced.

Oh, do share then - why do you think men are entitled to buy women's bodies to have sex with? When they don't want it? Sex that is so freely had by so many men and and women when no money changes hands at all?

If you're not a punter, why are standing up for it? I dread to think actually, and I don't believe you.

Noone is entitled to anything.

Long story short, I don't support a law if it leads to more violence. But that doesn't mean I condone whatever has been made illegal.

It only leads to more violence if punters are violent !

You get that? If men would stop thinking they have a "right" to sex from women who wouldn't consent without a wodge of cash.... then??

I agree with filxiler, no one is entitled to anything. Just because I sell it doesn't make them 'entitled' to me. They have to pay 1st.

And you're wrong that noone is entitled to anything. Humans have a number of human rights - but none of those included being able to buy sex from another human being (until AI started this crap).

But surely we as an adult I have a right to have sex with whoever for whatever reason?

Think of your past migsy. Did you grow up wanting to be a prostitute or a nurse? Why do you have to dissociate yourself in order to have sex for money? Why do you think you feel you can never have another relationship again?

Are you having sex with these men because you want to? Or because you need to?

And before you answer that, consider whether it really is just another job? Should all women be forced to do this job if they fall on hard times? If no, why should you? How many men do this job when they fall on hard times?

"How many men do this job when they fall on hard times?"

I think men on very hard times end up becoming homeless and asking for spare change. Have you noticed how the majority of homeless tend to be male?

Oh, and why are punters allowed to abuse you just because they pay you? You've said you can't say no, they try to take the condom off, pull your arms and hurt you?

Why should we tolerate that happening to you?

So, filxiler, why don't those men make the free choice to sell sex?

No I didn't grow up wanted to be a prostitute, and I dissociate myself because sometime the job is hard, I won't deny it. If I've had a physically long and emotionally draining day the last thing I want to do is carry on to the next punter but that's life.

I'm having sex because I need to earn money, I don't have a burning desire to have sex with these men but I do it willingly, regardless of the fact I need the money. That doesn't sound right but you get the point.

No one should be forced to have sex, I don't feel forced. I could stop at any point if I wanted to. But for someone on the outside it's too easy just to say 'well get a proper job' but it's not that easy.

Yes there have been incidents where things that have happened shouldn't, I can only put it down to the lack of safety where I'm based. I'm on my own and given the choice I wouldn't be, but the law forces me to work alone.

Are you in Scotland migsy? MSP Jean Urquhart is putting forward a motion for decriminalization which would include allowing workers to work together legally.

No I'm in the UK filxiler.

And no WhentheRed not all women should be solicited for sex. Just prostitutes, I don't think anyone would argue with that.

I agree. People who do not advertise as sexworkers should not be solicited.