So many evil men...can't stand it

[SplitHeadGirl]

First of all, I know fully well that men will get upset at what I think and am about to say, so I would like to clarify that I am talking about EVIL men, not the good, wonderful dads and granddads and husbands and nice single blokes out there....the ones who I KNOW (my brain, not my gut, tells me so) are in a majority, but who seem to be few (is it their deafening silence?)

But any fool can see that the sheer amount of men, who are prepared to do unspeakable things to women and girls (and boys as well as other men, not to mention the vulnerable and the elderly...wow, the list goes on) is just overwhelming. I read today about Anene Booysen, and I was absolutely heartbroken, but yet not shocked. For men to be so diabolical to women is not shocking anymore, and that is men's greatest tragedy.

I have two little daughters, and a little son, and I fear for them at the hands of men. Not women...just men.

I feel like I am thinking out loud with this post, so no worries if no one feels they can respond. I just wish I didn't feel so helpless at the tsunami of male violence.

'What do you want SF?'

What do you want kim?

Hello everyone...just got back from a weekend at mum and dad's so will read through whole thread to see what everyone thinks. Thank you so much for replying...I felt a bit bad about being so negative and worried too that I was starting to develop feelings of distrust for men, and so hope I can come back, once I've read all the posts, with lots more food for thought and feeling not so angry.

Thanks again.

That's rather unfair, SF.

Yes we've 'clashed' previously, (and you have been quite demeaning re my own sense of self , as you have again just now) but none of that gave any sense of 'achievement'. I'm okay with my boundaries, gender, sex and beliefs, thanks. Despite your efforts.

This issue currently was to say it just isn't worth arguing with an entrenched denier re refuting crystal clear evidence. And in this case that is you.

What you have written sounds good for starters kim, with a few tweaks and additions.

Sorry, SF, I don't do snide. I'm actively involved, and pursue, womens rights, and in that I am an open book. I have little idea about 'whiteknighting' ( though I could guess, and reject that about me), and I have no idea what you mean about yesterday's revelations.
But this shouldn't be a me-and-you side show, so shall we drop it? We'll never agree on things, and so internet table-tennis is pointless.

Do you think only feminism has those aims kim? Or are they aims that anyone with compassion and care for the world we live in and the people that we love want? I don't see that feminists can take ownership of those aims really.

A little like when feminists say how wonderfully they are bringing up their sons. Well so does anybody who loves their sons and wants the best for them. However, I will not spend a moment blaming my boys for the woes of the world and the women in it.

MRA's aim's are equality. Redressing the balance. Dispelling the myths that abound.

I've come to realise that it isn't the evil men that scare me. It's the everyday normal ones. I have to be scared of them because that's what society tells me. If I dress inappropriately, if I flirt inappropriately, if I speak inappropriately, then these seemingly every day normal men might be provoked into attacking me. It seems like society wants us scared to keep us in our place.

What scares me is the everyday acceptance of otherwise good men watching porn, beating their partners, groping women, using prostitutes, demeaning and belittling women, referring to women as nags, as sluts, being looked over for promotion, being talked over and on and on and on it goes.

It's not evil men who do that, it's everyday ones. Because it's accepted, because it's expected.

That's why it's so important for men to stand up and be counted because every message that I , as a woman, get from society, is that men can't be trusted. Men are accountable because only they hold the power to change this view.

And guess what, it seems to be only the feminists who get that this situation is unfair, both to men and women.

'I don't see other groups fighting for such stuff TBH.'

Well that's just it kim. All this 'groups fighting for'. As far as lessening violence goes, do you really think a few groups of snarling women and drippy men are going to get rid of violence in society. Do you really think some middle aged left thinking, feminist following soft soaper berating some rape joke telling thug is going to work? Really?

People need to STFU and start thinking about where violence starts, in the home mainly. Most violence, no matter what anyone says, is committed by one demographic. THAT is what needs to be addressed, and then violence will lesson.

But feminists will get all 'OH you can't say that, that's not PC. We need to lock more men up, make harsher sentences, make other men make them stop it, blame non-violent men, make them wear white feathers'. Just ridiculous.

The underclass. It's always been around, but now it's massive. No, they are not ALL violent, before you say anything, but a recent report stated that a large portion of offenders were from this demographic, and by no means just men either.

And yes, I know that men from other 'classes' can be violent too.

I don't know how you would address it. Elevate the underclasses.

I know how you won't address it.

So sig, if the majority of violence is committed by this class, and the majority of violence is committed by men, why is it wrong if some people focus on one and some on the other?

ThePit - Because feminism can't deal with male violence. It just inflames the situation and drives a wedge between the sexes. Hence MRA's/MGTOW/Game and somesuch (all v. different things btw).

Seriously, how keen would you be if every time you opened your mouth someone told you to check your privilege, accused you of womansplaining, insisted that you berate other women publicly and were generally in your face and unpleasant ALL the time. And God forbid you have an opinion that didn't tie in!

How keen would you be to comply??

Just catching up...but first of all, Roxanne I am sorry!! I was out of order and all I can do is apologise, and I hope you accept it. I really am sorry I hurt you. I am still reading through the thread but just wanted to let you know that I was awful and I'm sorry!

No men drive the wedge Sigmund. When they rape us and murder us for being women. Feminists are just naming the problem.

Oh SF, I didn't report you, or have you deleted. I just took your post for what it was. Someone else, or HQ did that. So do please re-direct your anger?

To the extent feminism has led to MRAs etc it is only because those men cannot tolerate the slightest loss of privilege. To say they are interested in equality or "redressing the balance " (pfft) is laughable. If I was going to start casting aspersions on a man's "manliness" I would first think of men who are so insecure in themselves that they need a return to a society that controls women and outs women in a dependent and submissive position so that their (the menz) fee-fees aren't too bruised.

Fair enough Pan.