So many evil men...can't stand it

[SplitHeadGirl]

First of all, I know fully well that men will get upset at what I think and am about to say, so I would like to clarify that I am talking about EVIL men, not the good, wonderful dads and granddads and husbands and nice single blokes out there....the ones who I KNOW (my brain, not my gut, tells me so) are in a majority, but who seem to be few (is it their deafening silence?)

But any fool can see that the sheer amount of men, who are prepared to do unspeakable things to women and girls (and boys as well as other men, not to mention the vulnerable and the elderly...wow, the list goes on) is just overwhelming. I read today about Anene Booysen, and I was absolutely heartbroken, but yet not shocked. For men to be so diabolical to women is not shocking anymore, and that is men's greatest tragedy.

I have two little daughters, and a little son, and I fear for them at the hands of men. Not women...just men.

I feel like I am thinking out loud with this post, so no worries if no one feels they can respond. I just wish I didn't feel so helpless at the tsunami of male violence.

What are fee-fees?

'Feminists are just naming the problem.'

I know. Men. All of them.

Some men rape and murder some women. I don't think society needs feminists to point that out, some of us actually read the papers or watch the TV that tell us when these things happen.

'If I was going to start casting aspersions on a man's "manliness" I would first think of men who are so insecure in themselves that they need a return to a society that controls women and outs women in a dependent and submissive position so that their (the menz) fee-fees aren't too bruised.'

Yes, 'cos that's just what they want. Pffft yerself.

fwiw I know I subscribe to Blistory's post, though excepting 'it's only the feminists who get this situation is unfair'. Lots of people do, though it predominantly the feminists who actually say something on a political level - lots of other other men and women, who I know, make the same points on an individual level.(family/friends/colleagues who wouldn't identify themselves as feminists.)
But yes, it's the accepted, ingrained practices that are most scary and those are done equally by 'nice' blokes who get by easily.

I get the message that men are to blame for every ill in the world that has occurred to women historically and up to today 4/11/13 is the fault of men. Apart from feminists husbands/dads/bros etc....

And even if a woman goes to jail, its a mans fault

And even if she lashes out, he must have done something

And even if she seduces a pupil, he loved it

And I'm not in control of the words that spill out of my mouth, patriarchy makes me. It's not my fault. It's his, whoever he is.....

'But yes, it's the accepted, ingrained practices that are most scary and those are done equally by 'nice' blokes who get by easily.'

All men. You.

I have NEVER heard a feminist say that if a female teacher seduced a male pupil, he must have loved it.

Where did you hear that from a feminist?

No SF, Blistory's post didn't refer to 'all men'. And in some circumstances, at some times, I'm not 'nice' at all.

Pit she heard it from the straw feminist she keeps for the purpose of informing her views on feminism.

Blistory said ^I've come to realise that it isn't the evil men that scare me. It's the everyday normal ones. I have to be scared of them because that's what society tells me. If I dress inappropriately, if I flirt inappropriately, if I speak inappropriately, then these seemingly every day normal men might be provoked into attacking me...

What scares me is the everyday acceptance of otherwise good men ... beating their partners, groping women, using prostitutes, demeaning and belittling women, ...

It's not evil men who do that, it's everyday ones. Because it's accepted, because it's expected.^

I find this as shocking as the OP. If that is anybody's idea of a 'normal' man, then I have to ask what is meant by 'normal? In what sense are these actions accepted? In what sense expected? And by who?

Will reply tomorrow kim.

'And in some circumstances, at some times, I'm not 'nice' at all.'

Only to me it seems. Which is ironic

Biggedy - I wouldn't be as shocked as you appear to be. Child molesters, rapists, DVers are quite 'seemingly' normal people. They drive our buses, deliver our mail, do our accounts, provide TV entertainment, do legal representation work etc. They aren't 'separate' to society's habits and beliefs. The 'normalisation' of abusive acts is ingrained. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone, surely?

YES Blistory....you summed it up!! It is the 'normal' men you feel you have to be wary of, and that means almost ALL the men. Yet men blame feminists for turning women against them..when it is THEIR fault and THEY are to blame?!!

If I were a guy, I would HATE those stupid, machismo FOOLS who gave me a bad name!!

The cast your eye over 'because it's accepted. Because it's expected.' for me please, Pan.

Not true SF. We post, we 'joust', we disagree, largely. With other people I'm really not nice. But I'll bear what you say how I come across to you in mind, as I hope you'll reciprocate.

I think this division of "evil" men and "good" men is missing the point. I've met many good men AND women who endorse views I think are pretty horrendous, views that endorse or at the very least accept the inevitability of male violence.

Everytime a "normal" person says something along the lines of "well really women shouldn't go out dressed like sluts" they are endorsing a viewpoint that enables men at the extremes of civilised society to go out, rape and not feel bad about it. They are enabling it with fatalistic acceptance that men seek to have sex with whomever they can stick it into.

There are many men who rape who do not see the problem with what they do. They are "normal", not evil, but acting, albeit very selfishly, within the framework of what society has deemed acceptable.

Feminists are not the manhaters. Really.

Sig, I really don't know why you choose to spend so much time in a forum full of people whose ideology you despise. It seems somehow masochistic.

There really is no point discussing these subjects with you, when, as pan and others have said, you obstinately ignore widely accepted figures from ONS, Home Office etc, in favour of those thrown around by Men's Rights Websites.

Take that Coke 0 ad for example. Where the two guys trick a woman into having sex with them and high-five about it afterwards. It is implicitly accepted that any red

...(sorry!!) any red blooded male will shag any attractive looking woman he can, and that he should be applauded for it.

Biggedy - have a read of Schrodinger's Rapist. It may open your eyes a bit to what it is like going through life being told that, as a woman, it is your job to take certain precautions to prevent your own rape/assault.

You see, the bad guys don't wear signs.