So many evil men...can't stand it

[SplitHeadGirl]

First of all, I know fully well that men will get upset at what I think and am about to say, so I would like to clarify that I am talking about EVIL men, not the good, wonderful dads and granddads and husbands and nice single blokes out there....the ones who I KNOW (my brain, not my gut, tells me so) are in a majority, but who seem to be few (is it their deafening silence?)

But any fool can see that the sheer amount of men, who are prepared to do unspeakable things to women and girls (and boys as well as other men, not to mention the vulnerable and the elderly...wow, the list goes on) is just overwhelming. I read today about Anene Booysen, and I was absolutely heartbroken, but yet not shocked. For men to be so diabolical to women is not shocking anymore, and that is men's greatest tragedy.

I have two little daughters, and a little son, and I fear for them at the hands of men. Not women...just men.

I feel like I am thinking out loud with this post, so no worries if no one feels they can respond. I just wish I didn't feel so helpless at the tsunami of male violence.

Dadsnet, from the greatest male poster.

UnquietDad Tue 21-Dec-10 22:19:25

I have been here 4 years and Dadsnet has always been a bit like a quiet, empty bar with the odd bloke nursing a pint, some football on a screen in the corner, a buxom barmaid looking surly...

...and a loud, wild, hilarious party of mostly women going on in the room next door.

Occasionally a tipsy woman will stagger in through the doors, clutching a bottle, wearing a party hat and blowing a party vuvuzela. She will then laugh uproariously at us, say what a bunch of saddos we are in here and invite us to come in and join the proper place if we have the balls. She will then slosh and teeter her way back through the door again, cackling madly.

'Bollocks SF it;s largely a socialised thing'

Yes, socialised by parents with no fucking parental skills to speak of.

'We have really big brains with which to work stuff out with.'

I was wondering when someone was going to elevate humans to the higher echelons of supreme non instinctual, beyond all that nasty nature beings.

We'll all being shagging chrome fuckbots soon because they don't exude nasty stuff, and we're above such nonsense.

oh forget it please SF. The panacea to this stuff doesn't lie in feminism at all. It lies elsewhere, in men themselves, "to be that better part of themselves". Feminism doesn't offer that much to that, imo. It may agree but it doesn't address it.

Love that post Theworldisending...it's so true!!

Um..no we are part of nature SF, but a very gifted part, more able to control our environment and what happens to it. We are progressivley making very bad choices about that, but that doesn't undermine the fact we have been gifted through evolution a primacy.

'The panacea to this stuff doesn't lie in feminism at all'

That's probably the most sense you've ever made. Don't you think that the answer lies in the home though?

I like that one too. Much of it true.

Yes of course SF but got to go.

night.

Night.

British Crime Survey

Stats on p21 onwards. % of men experiencing partner abuse once or more since age of 16 - 13.7-13.8%; % of women 26.4-28.1%

Female sample size bigger than male, so of the 2312 sufferers in total, 30% were men. No doubt it's different in different subsets. No information in these stats whether partners were male or female.

I think it's hard to say why men are more aggressive than women. I do think parenting is a big factor, along with others.
I think there are certain people that will cross the line of violence. I personally can't. I think if you cross that line, you will pick easier targets. Ricky burns wouldn't want to fight a klitchko, but a klitchko may want a tear up with ricky burns.

Taking 'crossing the line of violence' out of it are men more aggressive than women? Are there genetics involved, strength, social conditioning involved?....probably all of those.

My personal upbringing is that men on woman violence is not aloud, men on men - not as bad, woman on women - similar, women on men - allowed (not an issue).
That is with an upbringing that violence is wrong. I suppose the above is a scale of how wrong they are.

Both the United Nations and the World Health Organisation recognise violence against women as a real issue.

Because it is a real issue.

Sabrina, I think the majority of people know this, but having that point accepted isn't the end game. Surely. I think irrespective of statistics or opinions, violence needs to be understood in order to deal with it.

I'd think violence is known of and has been 'understood' for centuries. There are too many obstacles being put in it's place to prevent it being effectively dealt with. Because that takes a shift in emphasis, and a requirement for men, usually, to give up one of their options for dealing with stuff.

Good point, pan - '...one of their options for dealing with stuff.' And I bet in a lot of cases it's a bloke's first option, or right near the top of his list.

This supports what Ludvig says in her 00:00:01 post about her husband - 'When he has an issue he has the tools (vocabulary, articulation, debating skills, composure) to be able to debate with someone and "win" the argument or solve the problem.'

Predisposition to violence is a result of both nurture and nature. An individual's temperament has an effect, but also education, and I don't just mean GCSE's. People need to learn how to express themselves effectively.

I'm not convinced that men are naturally more aggressive than women. All humans when threatened are capable of violence. Women, generally when their offspring are threatened, men when their offspring are threatened but equally when their control is threatened.

I believe that what prevents violence is the social contract theory - you give up certain liberties in order to gain the protection of society. I think when posters are referring to a socio economic role in the apparent increasing violence between young women, I suspect that these individuals either feel alienated from society or let down by it and no longer wish to abide by it's conventions.

There's also the way in which society tolerates violence - you can't send men to war and expect them to use violence and then expect complete lack of violence at home - so men have traditionally been given more leeway to be violent - young men are excused their violence to an extent, young boys are encouraged to stand up for themselves whereas women have never been allowed the same 'freedom'. Violence from women is only tolerated if the circumstances that led to it could be defined as extreme provocation. We traditionally don't send women to war so have never needed to see violence in women as a possible advantage.

Women are only forgiven violence if it's in protection of their young so obviously women are capable of it but remain judged for it very differently.

I think women are judged very rarely for violence in society. It's usually excused away as not being serious or having some valid underlying reason. I do feel that's it's time that all people are made accountable for their actions.

Judged or punished ?

I agree with holding people accountable for their actions so why do so many rapists get away with it ?

Why are there certain crimes that are committed more by men and is it simply a co-incidence that they go so frequently unpunished ?

Judged OR punished, I would say.

For the year ending March 2013, the following stats are:

26% of women in prison had no previous convictions – more than double the figure for men (12%).

28% of women serving sentences of under 12 months had no previous convictions, compared with only 12% of men.

Also, in the years 1995 and 2010, the number of women in prison rose by 115%,

That first stat is all the more glaring, given that 81% of women in prison are there for non-violent offences, but they still get sentenced to custody quicker. There is no reason to believe that the propensity t osentences women to is reversed for them committing violent offences.

So yes, women do get judged and punished disproportionately.

should say "propensity to sentence women to custody is reversed for them committing violent offences."

If anyone wishes to see the source and read further here is the link

Doctrine of Who stats from Weds
females were often perpetrators in self defence and victims more often and of worse violence
men often retract claims