So many evil men...can't stand it

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First of all, I know fully well that men will get upset at what I think and am about to say, so I would like to clarify that I am talking about EVIL men, not the good, wonderful dads and granddads and husbands and nice single blokes out there....the ones who I KNOW (my brain, not my gut, tells me so) are in a majority, but who seem to be few (is it their deafening silence?)

But any fool can see that the sheer amount of men, who are prepared to do unspeakable things to women and girls (and boys as well as other men, not to mention the vulnerable and the elderly...wow, the list goes on) is just overwhelming. I read today about Anene Booysen, and I was absolutely heartbroken, but yet not shocked. For men to be so diabolical to women is not shocking anymore, and that is men's greatest tragedy.

I have two little daughters, and a little son, and I fear for them at the hands of men. Not women...just men.

I feel like I am thinking out loud with this post, so no worries if no one feels they can respond. I just wish I didn't feel so helpless at the tsunami of male violence.

Reminds me of The Shawshank Redemption, "Everybody in here's innocence". I'd be surprised if such an attitude of feeling they were unfairly convicted didn't extend to other crimes.

I don't think you can take too much stock from a convicted criminal not thinking they were in the wrong, a self defensive mechanism I guess.

Grennie, there could be many reasons for them giving that answer. Not necessarily true.

How many were interviewed, what percentage thought what you have posted?

Grennie Sun 03-Nov-13 00:18:06
When so many women are attacked by men, it is unsurprising that the OP sees it that way.

And here we go again. "So many women". I agree that's it's too many. One is too many. But most women live out their entire lives and are never attacked by men. And I'm sure I read recently that the biggest increase in the UK in violence is in young women. But yes, men are still more violent, of that there's no doubt.

Treen, I read the research about a year ago. It would take me a long time to find it again. But it is not unusual for criminals to think they really did nothing wrong. Or what they did was what everyone else was doing - and as criminals tend to associate with other criminals, this may be true amongst the people they know.

Dervel, you think better parenting is the way forward? It may be a start.

I think too many people abuse children just by having them. Too many imcapable people having children. It's bizarre

No you are wrong Breslo. Most women I know have been attacked by a man.

Grennie, I'd say 90% of men I know have been sexual assaulted by a woman. Mostly minor cases but sexual assault all the same.

There's a study where men admitted to rape as long as the actual word rape wasn't used. Sorry on phone, can't link.

What do you mean by sexual assault Treen?

And when it comes to violence, mamy men are assaulted to, by other men.

SideshoBob: Again I point you to the actual stats. Under 4% in the UK of people will experience violent crime, it stands to reason therefore that less that significantly less than 4% will commit violent crime, likewise the statistics for rape, 3% of men in the US (I can't find stats for the UK but i'm guessing similar) commit or attempt to commit a rape. This is not even close to a lot of men, this is a tiny minority.

I'm not sure I understand how you got to the figure "3% of the male population commit/attempt rape"?

You're saying that because 3% of men in the US are raped, 3% (or less) of the male population are rapists?

But you haven't included the female victims - the rainn website you link to says 1 in 6 women in the US will be raped in their lifetime - which is 16%.

The UK figure of 4% can't possibly include sexual violence, or domestic violence, since accepted home office figures state that 1 in 4 women will experience domestic violence in their lifetime.

Sidesho, not all rapists think they are rapists. If you run surveys asking about behaviour (eg have you had sex with an unconscious woman rather than have you ever raped a woman) then more people agree with them.

link

This is the kind of thing we mean by rape culture, that rape is not recognised as such.

The figure might be about the number of men convicted for violent crime. Most men who commnit violent crime against women are not convicted.

Sorry that wasn't helpful. If you goggle 'rapists who don't think they're rapists' it should one of the top hits

I know where you got the 3% from. It is from a respected survey of the % of adults in 1 year who have been a victim of violent crime. The discussion was about throughout a women's lifetime, not one year.

Sabrina I think you've misunderstood, its not 3% of men are raped, its 3% of me who commit or attempt to commit a rape.

The 4% you are correct doesn't include sexual assault.

But the point being that if 3% of men commit those rapes (which is perfectly reasonable considering rapists tend to be multiple offenders), and there's only 4% violent crime, then clearly men, as a whole, aren't dangerous, as is repeatedly claimed in this thread. Rather its a very small minority who will be repeat offenders.

I felt it an important distinction to make in light of posts making men as a whole sound particularly dangerous when what we're actually talking about, in this country at least, is a very small minority of people actually commiting the crimes hence a lot of the posts are very unfair.

Grennie, as the law defines it. There were a range of assaults. All involved involuntary sexual contact.

jezebel.com/5929544/rapists-explain-themselves-on-reddit-and-we-should-listen

I was not just talking about rape or sexual assault of women. Women get physically attacked by men, when rape or sexual assault is not involved. And the majority of rapes and sexual attacks are not reported.

Sideshobob - I've read your link twice now - it says 3% of men are the victim of rape:

"About 3% of American men — or 1 in 33 — have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime."

The page you linked to is called "who are the victims?"

Grennie Sun 03-Nov-13 00:27:24
No you are wrong Breslo. Most women I know have been attacked by a man.

I find that absolutely staggering. All the women you know, mother, grandmother, sisters, aunts, nieces, friends, workmates...and more than half have been attacked by a man. Where do you live, Dodge City?? Or in a Taliban controlled vilage in Afghanistan?

Off hand, I can only think of 2 women I know who have been attacked by a man. I also know a man attacked by women.

Grennie, is that link what you were referring to up post?

Brenslo, I wouldn't tell you about my attack if I knew you face to face. Given your views you would probably not believe me. Most women do not talk about attacks such as sexual assault, domestic violence and the like, usless it is to someone they trust.

Giyadas suggested googling to find something. She couldn't do it on her phone. So I did it and posted the link.

Thanks Grennie.

I see. That makes more sense