Can I ask you for some links about porn please?

[EhricLovesTeamQhuay]

Specifically accounts of ex porn actors talking about abuse/coercion in porn films, and anything academic about the effects of porn on male sexuality and sexual attitudes?

I've read bits, but I'm already convinced. This is for a friend whose new boyfriend doesn't get it and she feels like she doesn't have the evidence to show him.
Thanks

Sorry the third person bit was how it may appear in feminist literature if it was a genuine issue. That's why I wrote it like that

Your pearls look luvverly though, ma'am.

Basil - it doesn't have to be interesting I was just saying what I thought about STIs and disagreeing that porn watchers are not less likely to wear condoms, no less likely than anyone else.

That, IMO, is not oppressive.

Basil

Sabrina is LOLing at Basil's posts here.

Basil graciously acknowledges ScaryFucker's admiration for her pearls.

Basil is growing so fond of this style of posting that she may inadvertantly do this on other threads.

Basil, someone else has beaten you to it. A certain zombie has made this style her own.

You should it's cool. You didn't start wearing the necklace because you started watching hardcore porn did you?

Oh gawd, Basil has just noticed the time and graciously wishes her fellow posters a splendid night's sleep.

My advice is shut up while you are ahead, YGB

Goodnight, Your Majesty < clumsy curtsey >

Ok scary. Lol. Sending you a lovely big pearl necklace for your kind advice.

Oh, I love zombie

Don't forget to cross YGB's palm with his gift will you ?

No need I was only defending myself

"I think this is unfair to me and feminism." oh my sides!

"You can say that's entitled" - erm thanks for that...

"but I don't like you wrongly accusing me of oppression when it clearly wasn't there." read it again. You said that not me.

'Here are the men to tell us', implying the men were trying oppress you and put you in your place, when it was just an opinion given by a man. You come out with this stuff a lot when it doesn't fit.

'am not afraid of you trying to oppress me', I guess you wrote this for fun.

I suppose only feminists a entitled to an opinion on this forum or is that just how you sound?

It was unfair to me because you were trying to make out I was fitting your theory when it wasn't applicable. I said it was unfair to feminism because if you want to believe it is an issue then campaigning against me giving an opinion does not help the feminist movement or reduce oppression in anyway. It also, IMO, obscures from 'real' issues.

Anyway, if we mobilise everyone to campaign against me talking about STIs the world will be a better place lol

You inferred that, I didn't imply it. I said that you and the other back-slappers were telling us there's no need to worry about power structures in society or sexual relationships or how porn affects real people's sex lives so long as you take responsibility for yourself. You and the other men were telling the women on this thread what is or is not a feminist issue. You then followed up several times reinforcing your right to define feminist issues AND YOU'RE STILL FUCKING DOING IT! That's an arrogant and entitled position just as it would be massively arrogant of me to jump onto a thread where Jews are discussing Judaism and say one word about what is or is not a Jewish issue or what Jews should or should not be worrying about. I'm not "campaigning against" you FFS. Get a grip and get over yourself .

Your arrogance and entitlement are derived from your membership of the privileged sex class. That's not the same as saying that your expression of your entitlement is oppression itself because I don't believe that you, some random behind a computer screen, can individually oppress women as a class or even a particular woman on a website. You are manifesting privilege however and this type of behaviour is exactly why women seek women-only space to discuss feminist issues without men.

I don't know why men come onto these discussions. Sometimes I think they like to get a little kick, wallowing in their feelings of being in the privileged class. It would be a sad reflection on that person's life if that were the case.

I notice you didn't address the answer to my question but just kept going on about condoms, which are irrelevant to those STIs.

"Pearl Necklace" is an accepted MN phrase (along with T-Rex arms). In this context it seems to be a legitimate use of it - especially as Scary brought them into it in the first place...

Sure you're not reading too much into it Red?

Pearl Clutching is an accepted MN phrase.

Oi, keep me out of this.

I read it the same way, Red, and I do understand the Mumsnet context of "pearl clutching". Deeply unpleasant. I imagine that was his parting shot, and he won't be back. Unless it's with a post full of wide eyed disingenuousness.