Is the term 'Angry Fucking' potentially offensive to some women?

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Ok I said I wouldn't start this, but I've been challenged to do so enough times, so I'm giving in.

It's about this thread - To think you should stay out of other people's bedrooms (378 Posts) 1This thread.

A very few of us understood why the term angry fucking was offensive to MrsC originally.

Most thought she had no sense of humour and just didn't get the joke.

Discussion was widened as a poster thught it was worse as used by a man. This has been attacked as sexist.

I stated on there that I'd like to see what some of the more feminist minded posters would make of this discussion.

I didn't want to start this, I've felt like a bit of a lone voice on there at times and need to do some RL stuff, but I've been called again and again to do so, so I have.

You'll see the phrase pearl clutching a lot....

Oh I see. Glad I have no idea what they are

50 shades wasn't vampires, I'm getting it confused with twilight

Aren't they all the same?

Racist jokes are nothing like someone saying angry fucking in the context of a green man

Actually PoolingBear, you're right. 50 shades was originally a very dodgy piece of fanfic based on Twilight. When people on the Twilight fans websites objected to the content she changed the names and removed all vampire references.

I heard that. Read ten pages and it made me angry and bored!

Haven't read any at all

pickled thats exactly what I meant. Using a racially sensitive word is never ok, even in the context of a harmless joke.

Using language suggestive of violence is ALSO not okay, even if its a joke about the Hulk. Most women wont give this a second thought, but I dont think a joke with angry fucking as the tagline will go down well in a place like Refuge, for example...

Punchline, not tagline.... Gaah! Been watching too many movies....

I think its the fact he is a male that is the problem as i have been raped also and in a bad relationship yet i find jokes like thise funny. If I was going to offended by a joke I would be no matter the sex.

My arguement was that people think men cant joke about anything remotely sexual as they are all obviously sexual predators which is not the case at all.

It is the term I'm mildly offended by. I don't actually care who said it, since everyone else thinks its no big deal.

Both words give me the heebiejeebies, to be fair. And I also mentioned that for most women, its nothing to lose sleep over, including women who have been abused. But for a significant percentage, those words can be stomach churning...

And just because others find it okay does not minimise the very real impact it can have on some people.

This debate is continuing on the original thread.

And the fact it IS a man who posted it cannot be glossed over. Not all males are sexual predators, but almost all predators are males.

People who are vulnerable will ALWAYS be defensive. That is not a reason to crow about their sense of humour failure....

Just because some basterds decide to rape and sexually abuse doesnt mean every man has to walk on egg shells and not make jokes!

Sorry puddle second sentence was a general reply to other things upthread...

snowwide you are exactly right.

no one should be able to use racist terms as a joke.

But the issue on the other thread was not the term fucking
It was the fact a man used it.

Whilst all over mumsnet women are using the words fucking, cunt, talking about sex, strap ons, vibrators etc.
But apparently that's ok because they are women so that's not offensive.

No don't walk on egg shells, but tell us some genuine funnies please, instead of just exploding into swear words. THAT IS so not funny....

Just to continue to drone on about this. I don't mind fucking being used as a an expletive. I don't like it being used to refer to sex. Because of the aggression/ lack of respect thing, which is heightened by "angry".

snow it's not up to you to judge what is "GENUINLEY funny*

There's no rule that says we have to laugh at the same things.

And I go back to my question to you, are you offending by the women using the words fucking and cunt and having discussions about strap ons?

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood

Actually... I begin to see your point

I dislike the use of the word "cunt" in any context.
Swearing, sex... anything. One GF used to say it occasionally dtd and I had to ask her to stop.

I can't see any use of it at all that doesn't give me dissonance, and I've been mocked for telling people using it to STFU.

Snow Who said swearing was funny A joke is funny, what deady said was funny. If people are going to be offended fine, but what is wrong is the whole "it is was a woman who posted it it would be ok" bullshit that people were saying.

Just because he is a man it doesnt mean he cant make jokes about strap ons and use the words angry and fucking togther.

Tantrums no we don't HAVE to laugh at the same things. Ironic you should say this because on the original thread people had the the burning need to convince MrsC it "was just a joke, why don't you find it funny?" And so on...

I already shared my opinion about men and women posting... See up there ^^

Aaah SPsfanjo you don't get it, do you...

I am not aware that people on the other thread said, 'its okay if a woman posted it', but there were many who said, 'a man shouldn't post this'. I agree with them and its not sexist at all...

For want of a better example, let me return to race. Two people talk about the Aryan invasion... One a Neo Nazi and the other a student of Indian history, (people from Central Asia called Aryans actually settled in India) who would you be more alarmed by? D you see what I am getting at? The one who actually believes in Hitler would be more scary.

Same joke, differently perceived when uttered by either gender....