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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To all those people who have an issue with trans people - please read this

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enimmead · 05/06/2012 00:44

This is from a transwoman who has been jailed for 41 months. A black transwoman in the USA. I don't know if she is guilty or not. She was at a bar when a bunch of thugs started harassing her. The fact that they had Neo Nazi links was inadmissable in court. A glass got broken and a fight broke out. Ce Ce has been found guilty of stabbing someone and killing him - 41 months in jail (don't worry, it's a male jail).

This is from her blog:

supportcece.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/as-long-as-we-live-in-fear-we-live-in-ignorance/

To the many of us who have struggled, being of the GLBTQ community, this is for you. To those who have triumphed over the idea of conforming to this fascist, hateful society, this is for you. But most importantly, this is for all of our loved ones who have become victims of hate crimes and domestic violence being of the GLBTQ community, specifically Trans men and women, who are singled out and have the highest percentage of victims of hate crimes and domestic violence. My love and prayers go out to the families and loved ones of those who have lost a friend, a brother or sister, a mother or father, an auntie, uncle or cousin, or a partner or spouse to this epidemic. To all those unfortunate cases, this is for you.

In the memories of those who we have lost, it is our duty to put an effort to make a change. We should not have to sit back in the fear of our own lives and well being, or the lives and well being of those we love and care for due to the hate that exist and threatens our safety. We should not have to mourn for the lives of the people we love and have lost due to hate and careless acts. We have to stand up against those who put us down and try to oppress us. We have to enlighten the neophobics of this world and to help them realize the vast and diverse world we live in. because as long as [we] live in fear, [we] live in ignorance.

I thank the lord everyday for keeping me here and giving me such a profound mouth and mind to share my experiences and the trials and tribulations I?ve overcame, because honestly, I never thought I would make it past my 16th birthday. To grow up and have that thought at a young age is unsettling. The thought or feeling of knowing or expecting that today could be my last day on earth, only because someone hates me for being the person I felt would make my life happiest, or for being in an abusive and controlling relationship with someone who has no regards or remorse as to how they treat their partner is an unsettling thought. But it?s more unsettling to know that this is our reality, and that these are the issues we have to face on a day-to-day basis. And even with all that we choose to live our lives, and to continue living them proudly with gumption, bravery, and love in our minds and hearts. I know I still have faith in people, and am willing to make a change if they are willing as well.

We all grow up in different communities, with different social categorizations, but when it comes to being GLBTQ, sometimes we?re excluded and put into a category of it?s own, that is demeaning and belittling, and that no matter where you are we are singled out. I grew up in a community that was predominately African-American people. And with the fact of me just being a minority in this society was bad, being African American and trans is an ultimate challenge. I can remember having loaded guns being put to my head and being beat until bloody. Or walking downs the street and being yelled ? a faggot?. I thought because of their ignorance I decided to change my surroundings. So I moved to a suburban community, which were predominately white people. Then, I remember people grabbing their purses and children, like I was a thief and was going to steal their money and kids, and to still be yelled ?queer? or ?faggot?, which made me feel upset and that my efforts of leaving one community to another, went without victory. Also being a victim of domestic violence was also an issue that I had to deal with in my early teenage years. And fortunately I got out of that situation.

The point I was trying to make was that no matter where you go, or community you live in, people will continue to discriminate. And as long as we do not stand up for our equality, we allow them to have the upper hand against us. We allow for them to feel that?s its okay to verbally and physically attack us. And I feel that it is our duty to give these people the awareness and education about whom we truly are, and not whom they assume we are. We have to make sure that we won?t lose any more of our loved ones due to hate crimes and domestic violence. These problems are often over-looked when it comes to GLBTQ people because people feel that it isn?t as important if it happened to a straight person. Which is ironic because these problems affect us disproportionately. I feel that it is our duty to change the minds of those neophobics, because as long as [we] live in fear, [we] live in ignorance.

We have to be the matriarchs of this society. To start teaching our younger generations about hate, and why it?s so important not to hate. We have to end the bullying and harassment in our school systems. To organize more community actions and awareness about hate crimes and how to stop them from happening. We need to be leaders and role models for all to learn from. And from that we would be able to help and comfort someone who is unsure about his or her own sexual identity and preference. We will be able to eliminate people?s fears of being victims of hate crimes and domestic violence. To help someone to accept and be comfortable as whomever they choose to be, with no judgments or stereotypic labels attached.

And to all my brothers and sisters of the GLBTQ community, this is for us all. This is for those who are still here, and for those who have passed. With love and determination we can be the leaders. We can make a change. Because, see, what people fail to realize is that, even through their hate, bigotry, conforming, and biased views and actions that are enforced upon us,? love is inevitable and overcomes any and all things. And as long as love is in our mind and hearts, it can show us, even in fear, how to be leaders and role models, to be the leaders to show how to overcome the hate and oppression. Love is powerful enough to change the hearts of the neophobics in this world. Because as long as [we] live in fear, [we] live in ignorance."

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There has been so much hatred and ignorance spouted on this forum and i think some people forget trans people are people who deserve our humanity and support, not our ill informed bile and bigotry. I have been shocked at the level of anger on this thread. I have friends who are trans and they just want to exist and be accepted as people. There are a minority of activists who affect what everyone else does.

You may not accept what they believe. You may not accept the terminology. But accept they are people who are just trying to survive in a very difficult world.

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dittany · 05/06/2012 10:17

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droves · 05/06/2012 10:18

Buddhist perception on self defence is to use only the minimum amount to prevent the aggressor from hurting you.

That's a bit different from what Cece did .

How as a Buddhist , would you have acted in her place Enimmead ?

Beachcomber · 05/06/2012 10:18

Just pointing out the general level of offensive posts on trans issues on MN.

But Tiggy you aren't doing that - you are pointing out how many posts got deleted.

I could well have posted that another poster is a wanker or replied and quoted a previously deleted post.

You cannot assume that their was offensive language such as f**t used on those threads.

The posts have gone now - you don't know what was in them.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 05/06/2012 10:19

enim - You know full well that Radical Feminists are under attack at the moment from Transactivists and their allies. Why would we not be concerned at this?

dittany · 05/06/2012 10:19

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GothAnneGeddes · 05/06/2012 10:20

Yes Dittany, because being black gives you so many privileges, especially in the justice system.

Have you not read anything about the Prison Industrial Complex in the US?

enimmead · 05/06/2012 10:20

How many times can this go on?

People get that a man has a penis.
People understand your views on women and safe spaces.
The debate on what a woman is has been a big one.

I understand that totally - I just worry about how worked up people get about trans without forgetting that most trans just want to get by in life and to be accepted somewhere.

I worry about anyone being attacked - verbally and physically because of who they are.

I worry about how these attackers have been influenced.

I wonder where these influences came from.

Or you can choose not to worry about your fellow humans. :(

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enimmead · 05/06/2012 10:22

I am well aware of the attacks by trans activists and I have said that is a massive problem.

The extreme language by both sides is a problem as extreme language can lead to violence and hatred.

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droves · 05/06/2012 10:22

Dittany , was it not up too 10 years , a large fine , or both as the penalty for manslaughter without intent .
41 months , with time prior to sentencing under house arrest (I think 200+ days) seems pretty lenient , given that states usual sentences.

WidowWadman · 05/06/2012 10:23

dittany just because you keep repeating it, it doesn't become true.

It wasn't transactivists who shut down your conference. Plenty of feminists who have the right chromosomes in your book have spoken up against it.

I begin to wonder how exaggerated the reports of transactivists invading your spaces actually are, seeing as this event is repeatedly wrongly ascribed to the action of vocal transactivists only.

dittany · 05/06/2012 10:23

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GothAnneGeddes · 05/06/2012 10:23

Nothing about us, without us is a standard social justice slogan.

Since you're all fixated on trans issues and Sheila Jefferys herself penned a recent article claiming that transgenderism must be debated, I find it impossible that trans issues wouldn't be debated and I think it's perfectly acceptable for trans people to want to be at that debate.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 05/06/2012 10:25

enim - Radical feminists and others who don't agree with you have consistently said on this thread and others, that of course they condemn Trans people being abused, harassed or attacked. And of course they know this does happen.

So why do you keep bringing this up as if we had all posted that we agreed with Trans people being attacked??

GothAnneGeddes · 05/06/2012 10:25

Dittany - your remarks about CeCe's prison sentence show that your knowledge about other oppressed groups is nil, so I wouldn't go claiming to speak for them.

droves · 05/06/2012 10:25

Must learn to type faster ....thread moves so quickly ...my posts seem incoherent and out of sync at times Blush

dittany · 05/06/2012 10:26

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dittany · 05/06/2012 10:27

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 05/06/2012 10:27

Droves Grin

enimmead · 05/06/2012 10:27

Have you seen gendertrender?

Are all transactivists saying that?

Or is that an isolated internet quote?

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HmmThinkingAboutIt · 05/06/2012 10:28

Its funny, who keeps getting deleted for the same thing... and why. And knowing why they are being deleted, they continue to do the same. To knowingly cause maximum offence.

chibi · 05/06/2012 10:29

How do we know they aren't hmmmm we can but speculate

i defer to your superior speculating ability enimmead

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 05/06/2012 10:29

Threats from Transactivists to radical feminists are all over the internet. People who publically question stuff get even more such as Nikki an intersex person who is critical of both the Trans argument and of how intersex is used to explain arguments.

dittany · 05/06/2012 10:29

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droves · 05/06/2012 10:30

Goth ? . Cece did receive a light sentence . Probably because she is transgender and she did not start the attack.

Although I don't recall reading anything about her physical state ..from what I know we don't actually know if she is pre- op or post -op .

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