Erin Pizzey's work with Refuges

[ParsleyTheLioness]

Talking about this on the Relationships board. Does anyone remember this woman from the 60's/70's who set up an early(?) refuge? Are her work and writings still valid today, or discredited at all, anyone have any knowledge? I may not be spelling correctly.

Nor am I really. Am going to go and do one of the big ranty blog posts I have been writing in my head most of this week instead

I was going to come on and talk about how destroying the traditional patriarchy supporting structure of family units was a good thing but I did not need to as SGB has already said it in a far more eloquent manner.
And being five hours behind I hope the rest of you are asleep! Like I'm going to be in about five minutes.

Ok, what does MRA stand for please (too early for me)...

SGB can you link to your blog please?

Destroy the Family Day - has a nice ring to it - how about december 25th for a date? they've already used pink ribbons and poppies so what about a little baby with it's head chopped off or a dismembered penis? bit too much?

my family wouldn't exist without feminism - i dare say my son would have been forcibly adopted - mind you he probably wouldn't have been born as i'd have been married off earlier and had my fertility kept safely under lock and key ownership of one man who i was financially dependent upon.

i like my little family - funnily enough patriarchy wants to destroy and eradicate families like mine. funny that.

Wow, nice kicking I got in my absence! Speaks volumes really.

it does really doesn't it? what it's saying to me is that you express opinions that feminists find deeply offensive and disturbing. says volumes.

yes, patriarchy would like to destroy my family too. of course sigmund and erin are right, feminism does threaten the patriarchal model of the famil, which has an appalling record of abuse of women and children. people who support men's right to abuse women and children and adults' rights to abuse children, are profoundly unhappy with feminism.

SF you don't think suggesting that feminism is destroying the family was a touch inflammatory? Or that women are just as violent as men? Who's kicking who?

The only reason you got a 'kicking' was because you were outnumbered by the amount of sane people who know that isn't true.

If you want to launch a critique about feminism and/or domestic violence by gender, it really would help to (a) know and understand feminist theory rather than base it on untrue stereotypes, and (b) check your facts and figures. If you say something controversial and offensive it generally helps if you can back it up with evidence; otherwise you run the risk of looking like a bigoted fool.

In my experience anyone who goes on about how important, precious etc the 'family' is is a) talking about a traditional nuclear set-up, usually involving the wife doing all the shitwork (out of love for her husband and children, of course, so she would never complain) and b) a twat.

Too furious to post anything remotely constructive here. When I launch my blog you can discuss bigotry with me there.

Sigmundfraude. If you think you've been personally attacked, please report. If not, enough about you, eh?

Excuse me? Am I just supposed to sit there and be derided? And for what? Because I have a differing view. Put up and shut up, is that what you're saying?

no - just don't pretend something has happened that has not. you've been disagreed with en masse - that is all.

Not at all. We disagree with you which isn't surprising as you are being deliberately provocative. Coming back implying you are the victim is disingenuous.

Deliberate provocation is your interpretation, whether or not that is true is also open to interpretation.

Anyway. I shall leave you to it.

Potentially offensive to victims of DV? WTF?

I most certainly do not believe that everything I am told is true, hence my input on here.

I'm sorry that MN is too hostile and unpleasant an environment for you, Sigmunde. Can I suggest a nice hobby instead? I believe crocheting is soothing to injured feelings.

Alternatively, you might find the Guardian CommentisFree site better suited to your views.

Claiming that women are just as violent as men and thus denying the cultural context that oppresses women is deeply offensive.

Peddling the myth that feminists want to see the eradication of the family is also deeply offensive. As it is also untrue it serves no purpose but to dismiss the views of feminists as hysterical and dangerous unless you genuinely didn't know it wasn't true, but if so why would you say something so inflammatory without knowing whether or not it is true?

^ItsNotUnusualToBe Thu 12-Apr-12 09:40:57
Sigmundfraude. If you think you've been personally attacked, please report. If not, enough about you, eh?^

Actually I think you'll find that numerous posts HAVE been deleted, and this IS going off topic with a whole bunch of PERSONAL ATTACKS to try and discredit someone rather than using intelligent debate.

It seems to me that you can not discuss Erin Pizzey without it being controversial HOWEVER that does not mean that what she said isn't without merit. I do feel that a great deal of what she said has been hijacked by both sides of the argument, mainly because she didn't exactly express things at times in the best possible way.

I think there does need to be caution exercised when using the phrase 'victim blaming' if that means that certain aspects of DV can not be discussed as it might cause offense. Its an extremely emotional topic for a lot of people, and I do understand this, but you do have to ask difficult and at times unsavory questions in order to understand a very complex subject. It is a taboo subject so should be treated sensitivity; that however does not mean trying to silence people. Nor does it mean trying to push someone off the FWR section because you happen not to like what they have put. Which some people HAVE tried to do on this thread.

Can we stop the playground stuff, and even if someone does put something controversial and inflammatory, perhaps everyone could discuss like adults? Controversy has its place in debate.