Agenda, much?

[Malificence]

I don't usually wander onto the MN facebook page but I was pretty horrified to find what looks very much like an MRA agenda posted on there.
I'm trying very hard to see what relevance the photo used for their site has regarding the voices of unheard children. Looks more like how they would like to see their women to me.

www.facebook.com/#!/mumsnet?sk=wall

this is amusing... As soon as F4J say "post the campaign video", TeaJennie does...

agenda, much?

I was actually trying to promote and invoke a reasoned and intelligent debate - but I can see that isn't possible on this forum.

My initial points have been proved by the posters here - there is little point in me wasting my time and energy on trying to engage with members of Mumsnet.

I didn't see the original thread so I don't understand how men who don't see their children have photographs of them with duct tape over their mouths.

Can anyone explain? It sounds really disturbing.

Can you answer the question please Jennie. What's your connection with F4J?

Sardine Queen, they've changed tactics and are using children to promote their anti-mother message. Here's the Children for Justice webpage:

www.facebook.com/Children4Justice

If you google "gagged with duct tape]] it brings up a whole lot of similar porn images.

Oh, le sigh...

They don't like being challenged... one is now blocked from F4J. Just for asking a few reasonable questions...

Oh, Jennie, Jennie, Jennie... You've just outed yourself, love...

On a side note, could you please ask your darling little friends to stop referring to me as a "bigot"... All I did was ask a few questions...

Trust them to smother any valid points about fathers struggling to get access to their children/siblings seeing siblings with general misogyny. How the hell did they shoehorn benefits into this?

Strange choice for a Dad to make by encouraging his teenage daughter to be photographed With duct tape over her mouth.

I don't think it occurs to them that a lot of male victims of domestic violence are gay - the perpetrator is also male.

The kind of men that group attracts don't respond well to being disagreed with, as shown here.

Oh god that image is really disturbing. The style of it is CSI type OMG what's happening to her rather than anything else.

A slight anti-feminist tone in this, but F4J, we're not stupid, we know you're stalking the page. this is still relevant

I have been trying to find on that page what the campaign actually is but I can't see it anywhere. If it's to do with the secrecy of the family courts then there are already lots of people who are interested in that so how is this different? I don't really understand it.

The images are so disturbing I wonder at the reaction if the posters are circulated. To me the posters imply kidnap / physcial / sexual abuse and I imagine they will be very triggering for lots of survivors.

If you do a google on images of "child abuse silence" there are many pictures of children with their mouths covered, for campaigns about sexual abuse, and a few with duct tape used.

That is probably why people have reacted in this way - it is an image that has been used before (or similar) for campaigns about child abuse and specifically sexual abuse, and so people make the link in their heads.

I wonder how much research this group did before choosing this image.

This thread is full of angry mums. Whoaaaa! Sorry is this thread open to anybody? It is easy to hide behind a computer and pass such nasty unfounded comments. A reaction started from a link posted of a child who has tape over her mouth to put a message across to the masses. I am not sure if these comments are posted by teenage mums or mature mums who should no better. It seems that many of you have had bad experiences with men/fathers?
If you only took a step back and cleared your mind(s) and see the bigger picture...there are useless dads out there. My 'dad' was one. Although he and my mum split up 30 odd years ago he abandoned 3 boys, 4, 8 and 10 to pursue his career in Canada. He is a Professor and with the same woman 30 years later. He was no philandrer just a man who didn't want the responsibilities when his marriage broke down. Was that his sons fault? I still remember the loss of my 'dad' abandoning us. He never looked back. My mum brought 3 of us boisterous boys up and she did a great job.

That is one side of the coin. But listen to what F4J and C4J is saying. There are some decent fathers out there. Fighting a cause for the Government to radically reform the current system. It is badly flawed and decent fathers are being badly penalised. Children ARE suffering. I did. It happened to me 35 years ago. I don't want it to happen to my daughter or anybody elses.

There is good and bad in all of society. Keep an open mind to our cause because some day it might be your son and grand son who will suffer as many decent fathers have. You are welcome to look at my FB page to see that I am genuine. I love my young daughter dearly. Love & Mercy to you all.

WTF are you saying?

Are you saying that your dad should have been stopped from going to Canada so that you could pursue your right to have a relationship with him?

Is that what F4J are fighting for?

And also, what's wrong with being an angry mum?

Do mums not have the right to express anger? Is that an emotion only men have the right to have?

Smileysmile I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

I'm finding your posts slightly incoherent. What are you saying that the solution to your father's abandonment of you was and why do you see F4J as having that solution? And why are you accusing me of wanting your mother to abandon you?

You are obviously projecting a whole load of issues onto me and I'd rather you didn't please. Try to stick to the subject of the thread, if you can.

I am very puzzled by why you think F4J would have helped you when your father abandoned you.