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Anyone else feeling wifeworked over by Christmas (and DH)?!

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 21/12/2011 13:03

Yes, this is a bit of a whinge thread. But I can't be the only one. Eleven months of the year I'm not that fussed but at Christmas I do care. Selfishly. For me. Because I don't actually enjoy having no decorations, a messy home and no Christmas meal.

Do you find that it's worse at Christmas? I think it's partly the expectations that come from outside, and all the tradition - it makes it that much harder to get away from traditional expectations both of what I should be doing and what, in total, should be done for a good Christmas.

Btw, if you can get us out of this pattern please tell me how: since the Wifework thread a while back, I've been doing a lot less and DH has been doing a little more, and the mess has been driving me nuts. We'll muddle along until I crack and point out x hasn't been doing in weeks, and could he please get his finger out - he'll insist he does do it/was about to do it, all evidence to the contrary, and we'll row. Then he'll admit he hasn't done it, but he'll get better. And then he doesn't do whatever it is, though he'll often do something else, something obvious like hovering. And I will feel 'why should I do this job, he said he would'.

It is a crap pattern.

Anyway, right now I have a tree and nothing else, and I am not feeling full of Christmas cheer because there are half a dozen things he's said he'd do that still aren't done. If I do them it undercuts the whole point of trying to get him doing stuff; if I tell him (again) it's possible three of them will get done ... but for the love of God does it have to be like this?

Whinge with me, and remind me Christmas is not about the little stuff, please?

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Chestnutx3 · 22/12/2011 13:16

BBB I do find that acceptance is much easier to live with than constant annoyance. I am going to do a list of jobs that need doing each week and initial who has done them. It will be 95% my initials and then DH may take the hint. DH is so slow doing stuff and stands around staring into space or just relaxing, I'm like a headless chicken trying to keep on top of everything!

LRDtheFeministDragon · 22/12/2011 13:26

elasta - I didn't mean to criticize working from home at all. I think the emphasis on working out of the home is very unfriendly to families.

Your new partner sounds lovely - can you send him over here a minute? Wink

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Hullygully · 22/12/2011 13:32

I've read the first couple of pages.

In the end (speaking as an old person), when you are going to live with someone and ESPECIALLY if you are planning dc, it is vitally vitally vitally important that you agree on cleaning/housework/chores etc.

Or you will spend your lives fighting and in resentment.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 22/12/2011 13:58

Yep, that is the idea! Grin

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 22/12/2011 13:59

Oops .. that sounds as if I'm wholeheartedly endorsing living in fighting and resentment. No. I meant, the idea is to get some consensus.

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Fennel · 22/12/2011 14:01

I work from home about half the time but it works for us cos DP does sometimes, and when we first lived together he was working from home full time, so he totally knows that working from home does not equate being free to do wifework.

Luckily I have 2 offices to escape to and this week DP has been off and at home and I have, um, "had" to go to the office, slightly more than is strictly necessary at this time of year. Sometimes I just love working.

Phds are the absolute worst for gender equity or anything good at all really, IME. You're not earning anything significant, OR free to do things, so you're stuck useless in terms of household or financial contribution or anything. Not fun.

RillaBlythe · 23/12/2011 22:53

God I am so over Christmas. We are hosting his parents, I've bought everything except his present for his mum (& his presents to me), I've meal planned, food shopped, cleaned, sent bloody Christmas cards... Thing is, he has done a 76 hr week this week, so he really can't do it. I'm 'just' looking after the 3 yr old & 3 mth old. But it's driving me potty

LRDtheFeministDragon · 23/12/2011 23:41

fennel, sorry to be prickly, but until a few days ago when DH got a raise, I was actually earning more than he was so it did feel 'significant' to me.

Not that it stops some of his mates assuming I earn nothing at all and he's 'letting' me do a PhD. Hmm

rilla - sorry you're having a rotten time. And no wonder all that is driving you potty.

I have been wondering about this 'it's his job, it took ages, he couldn't do it' thing - someone else said similar on another thread recently and I know I often think it myself when DH is going through lots of overtime. The thing is I know very few women who let themselves take that much work on - and if they do people don't half sneer about them. It does seem there's a double standard to it.

Sorry, not very helpful to say that maybe. I hope things get less hectic for you soon.

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Fennel · 24/12/2011 16:30

sorry, didn't mean you personally, I was thinking really of the people I know doing self-funded phds (common in my field) and the problems it often causes relationships.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 24/12/2011 16:54

Sorry, I am being precious about it. I know I am very lucky to have the funding - it's just that so many people assume a PhD is a vanity project, but when I started we lived off that grant and we were both so glad I had it, so I came at it feeling very much that it was work, and that it was the only paid work that either of us had managed to get.

I have noticed though that there is in my subject a gender divide on this issue - the blokes are happy to see study as worthwhile, serious training and the women, by and large, deflect by talking about how much they love it and how they may end up doing something else.

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