Some men really hate women being single don't they?

[solidgoldbrass]

inspired by a couple of other threads including the separatism one. Have you ever noticed that if a man you don't like or know or fancy is trying to persuade you to date him or spend time with him or even just talk to him, the only really effective way to make him fuck off is to tell him that you are another man's property. Just saying No, leave me alone, no thanks, actually I am having a conversation with my female friend and am not interested in talking to you, never seems to work until you throw in My Boyfriend or My Husband.

So Jenny, would you like to engage with those questions that still haven't been answered? The one about whether men have the same obligation to put up with bores who interrupt their lives and the multiple choice one which asks what you'd do if someone made it clear that your company was unwelcome:

a) accept their answer as "no"
b) assume they actually meant "yes"
c) keep asking them, over and over
d) follow them around when they tried to walk away

I think we probably share a lot of views jenny. I'm sure there are some on here who probably still feel I am not truly feminist in my beliefs. And probably remember me making some pretty stupid remarks about the views on this section

I thought there was a bit of a party line here too, and as with any forum, some posters may seem very insistent on it. But I've realised it really isn't like that. Thankfully!

Why are you asking me that HB? Who else have you asked - just Warmster? Why don't you go back and find my very first post in this thread and I think it will be very clear to you what my position is.

HerBex I'm pretty certain jenny agrees with us that a man (or woman) should leave someone alone when told to.

I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that jenny was talking about the tendency of some to tar all men with the same brush. I didn't read the blog linked earlier, but I believe that was the basis for that argument.

Too many directions in this thread to remember who said what!

Lol at stupid remarks... If one doesn't know the correct ideological terminology or understand the various theories then there's lots of eye-rolling Amazing how many people try and say that their opinion counts more than yours!

Herbex still trying to find my first post...

Ah yes, Jenny's remarks about the tendency to tar all men with the same brush.

Except that no-one on this thread has done that.

Everyone was very clear that we're talking about disrespectful men who feel entitled to over-ride women's boundaries.

I seem to remember Jenny not engaging with questions about men and entitlement. Or is s/he did, it was in such an opaque way that I'm still no wiser as to whether s/he acknowledges that a sense of entitlement is accepted by our society.

I was in the shower actually.

I still haven't had an answer about what my assumptions about men are Jenny.

It's too late to read about tht now though, i look forward to reading about your assumptions about my assumptions tomorrow some time.

Good night.

'Not answering questions'... It must be Number 5 in the list of things to accuse posters you don't like of... It comes right after 'You deliberately misinterpret what I said', but before 'Did you actually read my post?' Another Herbex classic is 'that is a complete simplification of what I said.' Rather like the tar with the same brush comment, a complete simplification of the point I was making about the KateHarding blog.

Yes, indeed, dear HB, most people are very clear that they are only talking about certain men.

I'm still LOLing at the assumption that I'm a man simply because I don't agree with you. Have you also decided what age, sexuality and colour I am?

Actually I've listed at least four assumptions in this thread. Not my fault if you don't read my posts. But, of course, your assumptions are fine... It's mine that you have a problem with.

Night night!

N'awwww! Isn't Jenny just a little ray of sunshine?

P.S. HerBeX may not have decided yet, but I suspect you name may be James. Gotta love you Menz

Gotta love you random people who pop up, make a derisory comment and then bugger off again... It's just wonderfully self-congratulatory!

Of course, actually engaging with the conversation is rather more difficult...

Ahem. I did add my tuppence worth. But tbh, I'm not sure I want to engage with someone who's aims seem to be belittling members of the board

I don't - but's that exactly what you did at 0118 isn't it? Is it ok when you do it then?

Anyway, it's easy to run away saying 'well I don't want to because you're a such and such (insert insult of choice). Dress it up however you want, it's still just flattering yourself isn't it?

I'm off... gives you an opportunity for the last word. Enjoy.

That's it, rally the troops, censure the heretic and create a little club for Stepford-feminists is it? LOL... Pathetic, I mean really. You don't agree with me so I'm a troll... If you can't handle someone with a different opinion I'm not sure the internet is for you.

SGB (and others) - Yes. It is an absolute chore to have to use the I am the property of another man so now will you listen when I say sod off (?) line.

However it begins much earlier than the so-called "meat Market" stage:
In Secondary Education settings, there are many a girl who had/have to dredge up the old "my brother(s)/male cousin/father have said they will break the legs of anyone I date" excuse. A simple "I am not interested in you" will not suffice to keep certain teenagers/young men away.

OK... Seems there is a bit of confusion here.
It seems hard for you to comprehend that just because something is irritating does not necessarily make it that big a deal.
A persistent bloke is annoying and, yes, may be his manners could be better, but I really don't think UNLESS (and I do stress the word 'unless' so that you don't all think that I believe telling somebody else to 'fuck off' is OK or that putting a gun to her head is OK) he is abusive be it verbally, physically, or sexually or threatening that it is anything to get really worked up about.

Frankly, I think you are all getting on your high horses about sweet F.A.

I also do not buy the notion that such men are rapists. I imagine- I admit that I do not know - that rapists do not generally expose themselves by chatting up women as such in a nightclub or bar, I think that they just hang back watching their intended victim.

swallowedAfly, I have witnessed a lot of situations where men have gone up to women where a bloke is being aggressive to her and said, 'Is he annoying you?' It's not for altruistic reasons, perhaps, just that it gives them the chance to be the 'rescuer' another type of man in feminist textbooks.

that's is a vey good point caramelwaffle

Wamster, given the generally accepted statistic that 1 in 60 men is a rapist, a woman in a nightclub with a capacity of, say, 1200 people is in a nightclub with at least 10 rapists. If a man starts to chat her up, she doesn't know if he is one or not. But the more persistent he is, the more the odds point to him being one of the rapists in the room. Because this is how rapists operate. They keep on and on pushing the woman's boundaries, and they do this sort of thing in clubs in the conscious knowledge that if the woman later complains that they raped her, they will be able to say that they were 'talking to her all night' and 'left the club together' or whatever. They know that women are socialised to be nice to men, to agree with men, not to stand up for themselves, and they use this knowledge because it helps them to rape women and get away with it.

And, just in case you are going to start waah-ing again about how not all the menz do that, I agree with you. Not all men behave like this. Rapists do.