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Was Bristol Palin raped?

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darleneoconnor · 20/06/2011 11:16

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

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buzzsore · 22/06/2011 09:09

Sorry, Karma Sad.

Thanks for the link, dittany.

TheBossofMe · 22/06/2011 09:15

dittany says "I think people are picking it apart because calling teenage girls liars is a popular sport in the patriarchy. Particuarly if they come from a family of women who it has been declared misogyny open season on"

I couldn't agree more, dittany called it spot on.

This is a girl who clearly feels some emotional pain over what happened to her, and instead of supporting her and the millions and millions of teenage girls that have felt pressured into sex, coerced into sex and forced into sex, we pick her apart just because she's a Palin. In the interests of full disclosure, let it be stated here that I disagree at a near-visceral level with almost all of Sarah Palin's political positions. But to label her young daughter as a liar and worse is really beyond the pale.

The shame of it.

TheBossofMe · 22/06/2011 09:16

Oh Karma, just read your post - I'm so sorry.

karmakameleon · 22/06/2011 09:23

Thank you all, it was a long time ago and I can deal with it now. But it does make me sad that so many people on the feminist board could assume that she would lie to protect herself, when if she did lie it would be more likely that it was to protect him.

AliceWhirled · 22/06/2011 09:30

Yep you see systematic lying to protect men - he didn't mean it, he had urges, it's just natural, men can't help themselves, they have neeeeeds.

Catslikehats · 22/06/2011 09:31

Am I missing where Bristol Palin said she was raped?

TwoIfBySea · 22/06/2011 09:35

Wow, so is there evidence whether or not the boy was drunk also? In which case would you be banding around the word rape so easily?

That is a hell of an allegation to make and one way for sure to get even with an ex!

I'm horrified how men are immediately guilty and the woman innocent. This is how lives can be ruined you know as rape allegations stick whether right or wrong.

dittany · 22/06/2011 09:38

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karmakameleon · 22/06/2011 09:40

I can't think of any other crime apart from rape where people think that being drunk absolves someone from criminal responsibility.

MrsReasonable · 22/06/2011 09:42

Drunk people can be still be outside and boastful, it is possible. I have tested this theory personally.

dittany · 22/06/2011 09:42

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karmakameleon · 22/06/2011 09:44

Drunk people are still criminally responsible. Claiming you are drunk when you steal something, assault someone, murder them doesn't wash, why should it if you rape someone?

karmakameleon · 22/06/2011 09:46

TheQueenofDenial, afaik Bristol doesn't say she was raped. People here are working under the assumption that anyone who does not have a memory of what happened to them, was too drunk to give valid consent.

TwoIfBySea · 22/06/2011 09:52

Being drunk is not absolution for crime ffs but you can't call rape without the full story.

TwoIfBySea · 22/06/2011 09:52

Being drunk is not absolution for crime ffs but you can't call rape without the full story.

TheBossofMe · 22/06/2011 10:00

But people thinks its fine to call a young girl a liar who's making it all up to save her own face without knowing the full story Confused

MrsReasonable · 22/06/2011 10:01

"He had a memory of what happened. She didn't."

How do you know?

Catslikehats · 22/06/2011 10:04

karma exactly. I think it is very unhelpful to put a label on what happened other than the label that Bristol herself attributes to what happened.

Just because someone cannot remember what has happened does not mean they are too drunk to consent: I often have blackouts in my memory when I have drunk a relatively small amount. Is just the way I am.

buzzsore · 22/06/2011 10:05

The thread is about whether people on this thread would call it rape on the information given, so obviously we can call it rape if it looks like rape to us. Hmm

Being underage and so drunk that she couldn't remember certainly suggests the r-word.

karmakameleon · 22/06/2011 10:13

TheQueenofDenial, it's not about whether you drunk a lot or a little, it's about the impact it had on you. If you were 15 years old and not used to drinking, I don't think it would take much alcohol to get you very drunk, too drunk to give valid consent.

TheBossofMe · 22/06/2011 10:13

If my underage DD one day came home and said that she was drunk, can't remember what happened but he boyfriend said they had sex, I'd be calling it rape, and I'd be calling the police.

dittany · 22/06/2011 10:32

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rainbowtoenails · 22/06/2011 10:39

karma- me too, I lied to 'protect' a man who raped me, I dont think it's that uncommon.

karmakameleon · 22/06/2011 10:47

I'm sorry rainbow. I have no stats but I'd guess that lying to protect a rapist is far, far more common than falsely accusing one.

vesuvia · 22/06/2011 11:23

MrsReasonable wrote - "He had a memory of what happened. She didn't." How do you know?

Isn't it because he says he remembers and she says she doesn't remember?