Was Bristol Palin raped?

[darleneoconnor]

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

I've already used the example that Reality gave.

Its a reasonable question - is the feminist perspective that a woman is telling the truth, even if there is evidence to the contrary?

Sympathy isn't due to you, it's due to her, but she is not on this thread. If she were to post in this section, I'm sure she would find a great deal of support here.

sacredcow, I think we have to start with the assumption that women are telling the truth because generally, they are.

Obviously, if someone has a history of lying or the facts of their story are inconsistent, we should examine that but neither is the case with Bristol.

Dittany - Bristol hasn't said she was raped. By questioning whether or not she was, no-one is calling her a liar. It's gossip and therefore not really an honourable discussion, but it has interesting features we can debate properly. The thread has turned into a debate about false accusation, which is a shame because no-one has accused Levi of rape, not Bristol, not her parents, not the police. It's not about false accusation, but about alcohol and sex, and making bad decisions or being persuaded to. It's not rape until she says it was. And if she said she'd been raped, I would automatically believe her fwiw.

Why does the feminist section always result in these accusations of misogyny and participating in the patriarchy, and sort of 'if you were a proper feminist you'd call it rape' diatribes?

Bristol has said that she lost her virginity to Levi when she was too drunk to remember the event. People have repeatedly questioned this on this thread and suggested she isn't telling the truth.

Lots of people don't define their experience of being forced to have sex when they didn't give consent as rape, but in law it is.

HRH - you say "If you have sex with a drunk person, it's rape"

That is simply not true. If someone does not want to have sex with you at the point you try to do so, that is rape, pure and simple.

Drunken sex happens all the time. It's not rape. People like the uninhibited feeling of being drunk and having sex.

Rape happens when drunk or sober, the man does not seek or does not obtain the woman's consent before entering her. That consent may be after several disinhibiting alcoholic drinks, it may be after repeatedly asking, or even pressurising. But it's not rape if she agrees it can happen! It is all sorts of awfulness if she has agreed and didn't really want to, and she may need help and advice on dealing with this, but it's not rape. Helping teenage girls understand that boys will try to persuade and pressure them into sex before they are ready is important, but it's still not legally or morally rape, and I don't understand how demonising males helps anyone.

Whoops sorry HRH! Sorry about that.

I entirely agree that it's the means of discussion, not the topic, which continually puts me off posting in the feminist section.