Was Bristol Palin raped?

[darleneoconnor]

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

So wouldn't a better OP have been "Is Levi a rapist?"

'Pressured into sexual intercourse' is rather vague, do you know the actual question they asked to get that figure? i.e. how did they define 'pressure'?

FFS, we're on to the bad data thing again. Surely any kind of pressure is bad? Would you be happy for your teenage daughter to be pressured into sex she didn't want?

Calling someone a liar is slanderous.

It's libel.

But that hasn't happened here, imo. Just saying that if it's in a recorded form, defamatory statements are libel.

Sorry, very true. Forget that when you "chat" on the internet it is all written down.

Also, re "bad data", it's not so unreasonable to want to know the methods used if we're going to assert points with statistics. If 'pressure' is defined as broad as someone saying 'oh, go on' then it will give a misleading figure.

Presumably the question said something along the lines of "did you feel pressured to have sex?"

Most people would understand that without futher definition. And if you daughter answered yes to that question, wouldn't you be at least a little upset? (Obviously assuming she was telling the truth, because in the interests of fairness we must always remember that teenage girls lie.)

But the statistic wasn't X women have felt pressured, it was X women were pressured.

If they felt pressured, they were pressured.

Not telling the truth is generally seen to be lying, isn't it?

No, we have to have a least some objective baseline of pressure, otherwise girls who just feel that all boyfriends expect sex could feel pressured, and thus the boyfriend would then be labelled under how this statistic is being used as pressuring her into sex when he hadn't. Nitpicking with statistics is important, otherwise what use are they?

MrsReasonablea? AMrsReasonable? I don't get it, dittany

Oh of course. I get you. Teenage girls have no ability to judge whether they felt pressured for sex or not. Best assume that the teenage boy didn't pressure them, just in case. Cos you know, girls lie and all that.

You said she didn't tell the truth, repeatedly. Are you back tracking? Probably would have been best just not to have used her story really.

But then again it's a useful one to keep in your pocket when you need to prove that teenage girls sometimes lie.

So is the feminist position that if a woman says "I was too drunk to remember having sex", or in the example given by Reality, "I was raped" that she must always be telling the truth, even if there is evidence that she wasn't?

I can understand that the only way to improve justice for women who have been raped or otherwise sexually assaulted is to start from the position of believing what has been said and then move on from that, but the argument on this thread seems to be that even when there is evidence to the contrary, the original statement must always been viewed as true.

The statistics from the NSPCC are absolutely awful and with two DDs, one very much a young woman, sexual violence concerns me a lot, but those statistics do not automatically lead to the conclusion that ALL women who say they only had sex because they were drunk are telling the truth.