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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Discussion on Women's Hour about harrassment on the streets

373 replies

LadyBiscuit · 16/09/2010 10:36

Did anyone hear this? I am absolutely furious. They had a woman from the London Anti Street Harassment campaign and a male journalist. He was saying that feminists were effectively trying to silence men and deny them a voice by campaigning against harassment.

Sorry I'm being very inarticulate but I was so cross. Angry

I shall post a link when it's up on Listen Again.

Here's the link to have a listen.

OP posts:
sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:15

are you getting the feeling Tony's not going to be awfully sympathetic?!

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:17

ok here we go

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:19

ooh she's doing a good job!

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:20

am i the only one listening? :o

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:22

"so it's just guys fulfilling your gender stereotyping then, eh?"

"uh it's just a dictionary"

He doesn't sound too bright does he?

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:22

3 against one... bit of a set-up....

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:24

'most women are getting really graphic descriptions....'

YESSSS! Go Vicky! She's turned it round.

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:24

got your bingo card out Elephants - we just had 'why just women?'

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:26

"tweed clad"

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:26

rofl, we have the caller commenting on her personal appearance now EVEN THOUGH THIS IS RADIO!!!!!

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:27

"it's built into my nature as a man"

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:27

did she just call us women of a certain age?

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:32

Gary I love you - marry me!

(except I am already married and so is he, probably, a lovely man like that.)

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:33

well he sounded quite nice. "What's wrong with just a smile?"

What about your boyfriend whistling at you? Yeah cos that is the same.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:34

"it's just pointless objectification" - yep.

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:36

do you think we will get a new influx of trolls from the late night radio listeners?

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:37

I think that actually went quite well! Was amazed that they selected some of those messages to read out.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:38

hope i didn't scare you with my ranty message earlier btw SSM!

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:42

I suppose the bottom line is, extremes from both sides makes the best radio.

thanks for the message, I only haven't replied because I've been bit tied up this evening with toilets etc!

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:44

oh that's alright then :o

Are you posting one handed with the other one round the u-bend?

sethstarkaddersmum · 21/09/2010 23:52

I have to keep running upstairs to flush it again and see if it is really clear. I can't quite believe I've done it.
It is more empowering than most of the empowerment the patriarchy tries to sell us, I can tell you Smile

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 21/09/2010 23:56

well done SSM!

:o

sethstarkaddersmum · 22/09/2010 00:03

rofl! Thank you - I will treasure it. Good night!

lashcampaign · 22/09/2010 00:36

Thanks for listening! Tried to take some of your advice on board.

Not sure of the ages of everyone on here but presume it's women of all ages not just twenties, which is why I directed that guy to Mumsnet! Tired now...

Vicky x

InMyPrime · 22/09/2010 00:43

I have to say that I find the culture in the UK does not generally support street harassment (although London sounds like an exception judging by some posters' experiences). I've had very few experiences of street abuse since being here.

When I lived in Brussels, the street harassment issue was a daily concern. It was literally impossible to go outside of your door in that city without being harassed (as a woman - men were oblivious to the problem). It didn't matter if you were on your way to work in a suit in the morning or out in the evening with friends - the men were always there, hanging around in doorways, shouting at any woman who went past. It was a huge issue for all of us women were living there as part of programme working at an international institution. We talked about it all the time.

I had friends who were kerb-crawled, abducted in cars (she managed to escape) sexually harassed, groped etc. One woman on our programme was abducted and raped. The response of the people running the programme was to remind us all that we needed to be cautious about where we went(!!).

I regularly was shouted at on the street but my French wasn't good enough to think up witty replies so I would just tell them to 'fuck off' or give them the universal one-fingered salute. They seemed puzzled by my reaction to their 'compliments'. Apparently in French culture (according to French friends), this kind of public abuse is viewed as a compliment! On one occasion I was spat on - I was sitting on a bus waiting for it to depart when some guy came up to the window outside and started leering at me and making kissing motions. I gave him the finger. He then got on the bus and spat on me(!). Could have been worse I guess. Another time, a group of friends and I were walking to a bar in a slightly sketchy area and these two little runts came up trying to grope my friend and isolate her from the group. I went into a completely blind rage and grabbed one of the little chaps by the shirt collar, as if to lift him off the ground, shook him and told him to get the fuck out of there or I'd kick his head in Shock. Looking back, that was slightly foolhardy as he could have had a knife and I hasten to add that I am of a slight build so my threat was pretty empty(!) but I was in a blind rage and I kind of sensed he was just a little twit anyway.

It would be great if the threat of violence from a woman weren't so empty and these men could be genuinely scared into stopping their behaviour. After all, they would never go up to a guy in a bar and grope his bum or ask him to give them a blow job because they'd be scared of the violence they'd get in retaliation.

Anyway, great to see that people are out there fighting against this and keeping up awareness. I loved that woman's website, linked to above, where she listed the wankers she'd encountered while cycling, took photos of them etc. This is the best way to get at these guys - have a policy of zero tolerance and name and shame the losers.

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