So it would appear this topic is the Millwall of Mumsnet

[GothAnneGeddes]

Nobody likes us and we don't care.

I have to admit I lurk more then I post here, but to me, it's great being able to have everyday things discussed through a feminist lens, especially as most feminist websites are so US-centric.

It's just such a shame that so many women don't think that feminism is relevant to them. I just don't understand it.

nancydrewrocked, some women are put off by this section, but not all.

I'm a big lurker and an occasional poster and have been galvanised and impressed by this section. It's made feminism accessible to me.

Prolesworth - you may not have been making that point, but some posters said they thought councils shouldn't be enabling SN men to go to swinging or to lap dancing clubs, to give two examples. Both of which are legal if not moral. Alongside visiting prostitutes. So yes, some people were advocating limits on the disabled.

Well people on other threads have said that it's 'spoiling' MN to have this topic and one poster has said it should be a 'private' topic (admittedly that poster is a classic MN loon).

SGB - no-one's asking for it to be shut down, are they?

nancy, don't think this topic is inaccessible. I think the women here give other women lots of encouragement.

Got to a breastfeeding thread, then a SAHM/WOHM thread, then get back to us. They are MUCH worse. Believe it.

Oops - sorry, x-post.

SGB I don't think it is a matter of feeling insulted by being told "you are not a real feminist". It just makes me want to disengage.

I came to the feminist threads beacuse I had a genuine interest and wanted to learn...I wasn't actually up for a bun fight but frankly it is too much like hard work...and something of an irony that as a woman this is the topic where I feel I most under pressure to defend my choices (job/current position as SAHM/fondness for a little light bondage....)

Yes I remember some posters saying they didn't think the fem section was a good idea

No TheBossofMe, we weren't advocating limits on the disabled, at least I wasn't.
I was saying nobody had the right to visit prostitutes, and I expressed shock that it wasn't illegal, and that I thought that rather than enabling men to visit prostitutes society should be focusing on going to the brothels and getting the prostitutes OUT of the brothels without no more ado.

I think probably more people said they disliked the BF or SAHM/WOHM threads than feminism threads, so its hardly as if we're being unfairly singled out on here.

Just for the record I certainly don't think there shouldn't be a feminism topic on MN and of course many woman do enjoy the forum and post on it.

Who knows if my experience is representitive, it is obviously not unique. Maybe I shall continue to lurk and learn.

nancy, why are you focusing on this topic. There are so many other areas of MN where people disagree. Why are you only bothered about people disagreeing with you here.
There are loads of in-jokes on MN that I've got no clue about.
I've got no idea what "mouldies" means, for example.
I don't go on the politics thread or whatever it was and complaing that I'm being left out

Sakura - we and I aren't the same thing, you know. You weren't, some were.

Nancydrew, there are certainly plenty of feminists who don't disapprove of BDSM and plenty of feminists within the fetish scene (hello BTW do we know each other IRL?)

I see

I'm for BDSM

OOh, agreeing with tortoise and SGB on the same day!

As long as there's no cash transaction involved

Sakura - I think Nancy is focussing on this topic because the OP was about the fact that some people don't like this topic, rather than because she has a beef with this over any other topic on MN.

yeah, I don't like the OP's ethos.

That's like Dittany starting a thread about how shit the Style and Beauty topic is IN Style and BEauty

one of the bits that get me is this derailing stuff.
some people[especially when they join]dont know what derailing is.
also-i think that sometimes someone might be purposly derailing and other times not realising their derailing-either way though if someone does this-theres shouts from some about derailing and this can come across as
aggressive.
theres been times when something has been being discussed that ive either been looking at the subject from maybe a diffrent angle and other times that ive thought of something that has not been entirely on the subject but i feel has been very relivent.
im very interested in other peoples views on things and theres been times that someone has said something that has really made me think/disagreed/not disagreed/found very interesting-but theyve been "shut up"and
i would of liked to have seen more on their oppinion.

Oooh, that's an interesting topic - feminists who are also into BDSM. Talk me through that one - hadn't even occurred to me that there are any (no judgement there).

You see, this is why I come here even though some of it irritates me - lively, interesting debate.

sparky - totally agree about the derailing shouts.

Sakura - I think the OP is a regular lurker here, not someone trying to start a ruck. I hope, at least.

Okay, might start one.