The Roots of Misogyny

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Why is practically every human society across all times, places and cultures dominated by men?
I have read that War on Women article that MillyR linked to. It's chilling. Why is it everywhere?

I would be interested in your thoughts, or maybe there is actually a simple, widely accepted answer that I could be pointed to.

am pmsl at the monet zinger. lololol.

(btw his dad was a grocer, he was a well-educated bourgeois, he studied hard and formally to splodge those waterlilies onto canvas).

oh wtf dp? do you HAVE to make every fucking thread you're on about your drivelly shite?

stick to your word and piss off back to music. you don't make an ounce of sense, you're just a hijacker with google access.

Was I talking to you..?

er, no..I don't think so..

stick to your word.

get over it and stop acting like a spoilt child..

like a spoilt child? explain. because i think you are as usual hijacking this thread with your usual tiresome half-baked googles and nasty homophobic stereotypes?

This is a really interesting thread. Hope you'll forgive me for commenting, it came up in active convos but I'm not a regular on this board.

Daftpunk, I get the impression this will cut no ice with you, but although you say men may be 'more intelligent', you must know that many psychologists believe IQ tests to be biased in favour of white, European males. Crudely, this is because if you set the questions, you have a fair chance of knowing the answers!

Re. women and childbearing in early societies: as I understand it, the numbers of skeletons of babies that archaeologists find suggest that infanticide has been common at some points in the past. It's possible that women breast-fed babies for a long time, partly because other, later children were not allowed to live.

I wish I knew why men were dominant in so many cultures. My feeling is that it is an aberration, that human beings got seriously out of kilter at some point. I don't think it's natural.

Wow. I am impressed with the knowledge here. I would be interested in how your understanding of earlier cultures/premitive cultures can help us understand today's behaviour. Can we use our understanding of the past to influence the future?

I recenlty heard that the reason allowing splitting maternity leave between father and mother had been delayed in the last government was because it would cost too much. Initially I could not understand this claim until it was pointed out to me that Men still earned more than women. How could I forget. The business sector had not forgot.

Excuse spelling....

Half-baked googles?

Aitch, you have totally lost me on this one.

I mentioned Monet's water lillies because my daughter has painted it beautifully, I'm not saying it's as good as monet's but it's half way there....plus I have a thing about art....why was picasso's paintings so popular? most of them are crap. I wouldn't pay £20 for one.

Homophobic stereotypes?

I said I have friends who think alot of feminists are lesbians.....what the hell is wrong with that?

You are looking for things to have a go at me about...that is you acting like a spoilt child.

Your daughter has painted Monet's waterlilies beautifully?

Words fail...

I really don't like all the male bashing on here, there's an awful lot of men out there who are totally lost (mentally)...they are struggling with all sorts of problems and I don't think feminists waging war on them helps.

The suicide rate amongst men is terrible.

Why is any of this 'men bashing'? Surely it's as annoying for men as it is for women not to see women taking dominant roles?

i find it really strange that DP thinks that because one woamn 150 years ago painted, that all women then could have done if they had wanted. your theories are very immature DP.

LRD;

I'm sorry, but your point about IQ tests made little sense to me....are you suggesting that IQ tests be set by black women for example?

No need to apologize daftpunk. What I was referring to was the common conclusion of psychologists, that IQ tests are not a great measure of intelligence (the main conclusion!), and that (secondarily), they are somewhat biased in favour of the people who originally created them.

booyhoo;

my theories are not immature, I'm merely pointing out that women were succeeding 150 yrs ago....long before education for all and militant feminists. Y'know I think the feminist movement has in some ways set women against women, I'm sure that wasn't the intention??

We have a situation today where Jordan is seen as a role model, & not just to thickos. University educated women will do anything to be photographed with arsehole footballers..

I bet if you took a random 100 women off the street and asked them to name 5 influential women...cheyl cole and Jordan would be named before any female politician, if a politician was named at all...so the feminist movement has done fuck all imo.

I don't write for the Guardian..

night night

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DP you are right it was long befoe education for all. but some women were lucky enough to have fair and supportive families or husbands that allowed them to be educated, or supported their decision not to have children to be able to focus on a talent. there are exceptions to the rule. there normally are to every rule. why is this so hard for you to accept?

DP thank you because I have never ever ever heard of Mary Cassatt despite having done a degree in Fine Art painting.

Learnt nothing till I came across you.

TBH your point is just too to answer. And I gather from a quick scan of another one of your posts up there from this eveing that your appreciation and understanding of art is too limited to bother discussing it with you. Really I have better things to do . . .

I suppose the comments posted earlier on this thread should have been a warning.