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NEW Dickensalong - Martin Chuzzlewit 2024-2025

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Piggywaspushed · 20/07/2024 11:29

Come along and join me in the next Dickens readalong.

We have chosen Martin Chuzzlewit which was originally published by Dickens in 19 instalments, all exactly 32 pages long!

I propose condensing this to an eight month read, using Dickens' shorter sections as a guide (this is one fewer than NN). We begin in August, as follows:

August - Chapters 1 - 8
September - Chapters 9-15
October - Chapters 16-23
November - Chapters 24-29
December - Chapters 30-35
January 2025 - Chapters 36-41
February - Chapters 42-47
and finishing in
March 2025 - Chapters 48 - end

This on its publication history is interesting:

The early monthly numbers were not as successful as Dickens's previous work and sold about 20,000 copies each, as compared to 40,000 to 50,000 for the monthly numbers of the Pickwick Papers and Nicholas Nickleby, and 60,000 to 70,000 for the weekly issues of The Old Curiosity Shop. The lack of success of the novel caused a rift between Dickens and his publishers when they invoked a penalty clause in his contract requiring him to pay back money they had lent him to cover their costs.
Dickens responded to the disappointing early sales of the monthly parts compared to sales of previous works as monthly instalments; he changed the plot to send the title character to the United States. This allowed the author to portray the United States, which he had visited in 1842, satirically, as a near-wilderness with pockets of civilisation filled with deceitful and self-promoting hucksters.
Dickens's satire of American modes and manners in the novel won him no friends on the other side of the Atlantic, where the instalments containing the offending chapters were greeted with a "frenzy of wrath". As a consequence Dickens received abusive mail and newspaper clippings from the United States

Summoning old faithfuls and newcomers, one and all!

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ChessieFL · 01/10/2024 21:12

I’ve finished the ship chapter now and feel rather seasick!

This is an interesting book because the main character is so unlikeable. Don’t think we’ve had such an unlikeable Dickens hero/heroine before, have we? Dickens will need to work hard to redeem him. The Pecksniffs are also rather irritating. Thank goodness for Mark and Pinch!

My favourite bit of this section was when Pecksniff was drunk and they kept putting him to bed and he kept popping up again. I really laughed at that bit. Also loved Mark helping wash random small children on the ship (while the odious Martin hides away in case anyone associates him with steerage passengers).

Sending Martin off to America is an interesting development and the original readers must have been fascinated by this (the vast majority couldn’t even dream of ever getting there). I’m interested to see what the Americans make of Martin!

Piggywaspushed · 01/10/2024 22:04

And what they feed him!

Dickens does excellent drunkenness. David Copperfield's hangover is one of the funniest passages ever written.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/10/2024 22:17

I still have to read 'David Copperfield'! One day soon!

I enjoyed your analysis of the instalment with the fairytale/mythic elements inaptonym. Much to think about there.
I liked the way Mary was written as well.
She is not a cardboard cut-out of a woman but a real person.

Can anyone make a guess as to the identity of the benefactor who gave Martin twenty pounds? Could it be Tom Pinch? Katie refers to him as a beneficent angel figure in the book. But that's too much money for Tom. It has to be someone well off.

Piggywaspushed · 02/10/2024 05:39

I think David Copperfield will never be toppled as my favourite fuzzy. Unlike a lot we have read it's the actual protagonist who provides a lot of the humour (along with others such as an irascible aunt) and because we follow him form childhood, we root for him. The recent film adaptation obviously trimmed lots out but was very entertaining.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/10/2024 07:53

I might line it up for the Christmas holidays Piggy!

Piggywaspushed · 27/10/2024 08:40

Hi all

Just bumping the thread.

I am going away tomorrow and not taking the book with me. I have finished my reading but it does mean my post on the 1st may not be very detailed.

I wasn't prepared for fairly liberal use of the N word in a Dickens. Slightly cheered by the fact that Dickens seems to have been on the right side of history- at least in a white Victorian sense of it.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 27/10/2024 09:32

Hi Piggy! Enjoy your break!
I'm going to start reading soon.

inaptonym · 29/10/2024 10:11

I've also yet to start this month's too so no rush @Piggywaspushed !
Had vague plans to reread bits of de Tocqueville and Fanny Trollope's America books before this next section but then I got Covid so 🙃

But I did read a bit more about dogs on the Victorian stage! According to this paper, 'Dickens...recreated children’s fascination with the play in both the short story ‘A Christmas Tree’ (1850) and in his essay ‘Our School’ (1851), recalling how boys modelled a white mouse to play out the memorable role.' Species-blind casting, v advanced.
Although perhaps the fad passed for a reason: 'the reviewer of another melodrama titled The Hindoo Robber noted with amusement the uncooperative behaviour of the canine actors: ‘[The dogs] became refractory, and refused to seize the murderer by the throat; and when one of them only was shot, both took it into their heads to die’ (The Spectator 1836, 939).

Also this https://dickensmuseum.com/blogs/all-events/sex-gin-opium-an-alternative-guided-tour new Dickens museum tour sounds fun.

Sex, Gin & Opium: An Alternative Guided Tour

Adult (16+) - £20Concession - £15Please note: This tour is not suitable for people under the age of 16.23rd October6th November5.00pm, 6.00pm & 7.00pmThe guided tour lasts approximately 1 hour. Book your tickets here Should you have any difficultie...

https://dickensmuseum.com/blogs/all-events/sex-gin-opium-an-alternative-guided-tour

Piggywaspushed · 29/10/2024 11:07

That does look good. I might book.

Not having the greatest time away. NDN just told me my cat has died. Knocked down.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 29/10/2024 13:01

Oh Piggy no.

Piggywaspushed · 29/10/2024 13:12

Yes,poor DS1 found him.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 29/10/2024 13:18

I'm so sorry Piggy.

ChessieFL · 29/10/2024 19:47

Oh I’m sorry Piggy. I hope your DS is ok.

inaptonym · 30/10/2024 11:17

That's so awful Piggy Flowers to you all

Piggywaspushed · 01/11/2024 08:23

Morning.

Not sure I have much sensible chit chat. Dickens does make Anerica sound awful- grasping, grubby, uncultured Capitalists . And racist.

All the crossing between two geographical spaces is a bit much for me. Someone knocked on a door in England. Then we went back to the US.

I'm still unbearably sad about my cat so a bit preoccupied. Therefore, today I declare Dickens irritating.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/11/2024 08:57

Good morning Piggy.

I am so sorry about your cat. I have two cats and it's a fear of mine that this could happen to them. I hope your ds is okay.

I'm on the second last chapter, nearly finished. I wasn't thrilled about this instalment. I had been looking forward to the change of scene and the US, but I haven't enjoyed those chapters much at all. It's all a bit miserable and scathing. Dickens has a low opinion of the US and his displeasure is very evident; 'You're a gay flag in the distance. But let a man near enough to get the light upon the other side, and see through you; and you are but sorry fustian'.

I preferred the London chapters although I wasn't expecting a return trip so soon and agree that it was jarring. I liked the chaos in the Pecksniff household following the failed marriage proposal and the line where Pecksniff and Tom Pinch stand petrified looking at each other like two gorgons as the elder Chuzzlewit is arriving at the house. That was good and it stood out as an enjoyable moment in this not so enjoyable run of chapters.

LadybirdDaphne · 01/11/2024 09:12

Sorry to hear about your cat Piggy Flowers

I had a minor medical procedure today (all fine but in a bit of discomfort now) so struggling to string two coherent thoughts together. I was struck by how strongly Dickens felt against America, and preferred the London bits.

I also felt Mrs Gamp was probably a strong influence lying behind Terry Pratchett’s Nanny Ogg (rotund big-bosomed comedy midwife who likes a tipple…)

ChessieFL · 01/11/2024 12:04

Morning all!

I really quite enjoyed this section. I didn’t mind the jumping back and forth across the Atlantic and I enjoyed the America chapters. I agree that Dickens really didn’t like the Americans! I felt very sorry for Martin and Mark, expecting a prosperous city and getting a couple of half collapsed log cabins in a swamp. I know it’s their own fault really (the old adage ‘if it’s too good to be true it usually is’ applies here) but even so. At least Mark is remaining cheerful!

Mrs Gamp is quite a character. I was a bit baffled though - she seemed to stay for a week with Anthony Chuzzlewit at no notice - what happened to all the poor women who were relying on her to help with their births?! Did they just have to manage without?

BadSpellaSpellaSpella · 08/11/2024 12:34

Hi - I have been reading along but live and work at the moment are so busy/stressful/horrendous that I've fallen off any book threads.

I'm with @ChessieFL in that I enjoyed this section. I[m glad of the change of scenery as otherwise it was the same old London alot less superior as his other books.

inaptonym · 16/11/2024 15:04

Running late this month but I really enjoyed this instalment - probably the first time it was a real struggle to stop reading as both UK/US plots were taking off. Very topical too, for spooky and election seasons....
Dickens really pulled no punches! I'm American by birth (though largely grew up here) and have an American DP, and found the US satire bitingly funny and sadly mostly still applicable. Always enjoy his more political, punching up humour and there was such a feast of pomposity and hypocrisy to skewer. Even if the this section wasn't initially planned, I thought it turned out to be an ideal setting to explore the established themes of selfishness. appearances vs reality and familial inheritance. The anti-slavery material was powerful and my jaw dropped when he went there re Thomas Jefferson selling his children.
Though boo to his views on uppity educated women and 'Irish-looking' people 🙄For the record I would totally attend a lecture series on 'The philosophy of crime' followed by TPoVegetables....
Even the pettiest anti-Americanisms led to some really fun set pieces: the dinner at the guesthouse, the tea party, the train journey all had me laughing out loud at times.
Also gripped by the UK storyline. Some genuinely uncanny moments with the death and wake and yet more fairytale/fantastical elements - especially as Mrs Gamp is basically the local witch as @LadybirdDaphne points out. She's the only character from MC I'd heard of before so am curious to see more of her in context. The proposal may have been telegraphed but I was still 😮when it happened. Run, Mercy, run!

Piggywaspushed · 16/11/2024 15:20

Ha! Spoiler alert

She doesn't.

I'm half American (via my mother) and , yes, it all resonates somewhat!

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inaptonym · 16/11/2024 15:47

Oh Piggy nooooo! 🫣 I love a Bad Victorian Marriage storyline but Jonas is just SO creepy.

I've texted my (American) mother so many quotes she's decided to read the book herself. Forgot to mention the list of NY papers - so good! and transposes so well onto today's media landscape I caught myself trying to match it to specific podcasts, substacks and reality tv 😅

Piggywaspushed · 29/11/2024 07:03

Just bumping the thread for two days' time!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 29/11/2024 08:01

Thanks Piggy! I'm ahead of myself for once. I've read my chapters.

Piggywaspushed · 29/11/2024 08:25
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