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NEW Dickensalong - Martin Chuzzlewit 2024-2025

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Piggywaspushed · 20/07/2024 11:29

Come along and join me in the next Dickens readalong.

We have chosen Martin Chuzzlewit which was originally published by Dickens in 19 instalments, all exactly 32 pages long!

I propose condensing this to an eight month read, using Dickens' shorter sections as a guide (this is one fewer than NN). We begin in August, as follows:

August - Chapters 1 - 8
September - Chapters 9-15
October - Chapters 16-23
November - Chapters 24-29
December - Chapters 30-35
January 2025 - Chapters 36-41
February - Chapters 42-47
and finishing in
March 2025 - Chapters 48 - end

This on its publication history is interesting:

The early monthly numbers were not as successful as Dickens's previous work and sold about 20,000 copies each, as compared to 40,000 to 50,000 for the monthly numbers of the Pickwick Papers and Nicholas Nickleby, and 60,000 to 70,000 for the weekly issues of The Old Curiosity Shop. The lack of success of the novel caused a rift between Dickens and his publishers when they invoked a penalty clause in his contract requiring him to pay back money they had lent him to cover their costs.
Dickens responded to the disappointing early sales of the monthly parts compared to sales of previous works as monthly instalments; he changed the plot to send the title character to the United States. This allowed the author to portray the United States, which he had visited in 1842, satirically, as a near-wilderness with pockets of civilisation filled with deceitful and self-promoting hucksters.
Dickens's satire of American modes and manners in the novel won him no friends on the other side of the Atlantic, where the instalments containing the offending chapters were greeted with a "frenzy of wrath". As a consequence Dickens received abusive mail and newspaper clippings from the United States

Summoning old faithfuls and newcomers, one and all!

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Piggywaspushed · 01/02/2025 10:52

Yes, that's true it has had more Dickensian wit. I do find Sairey Gamp's dialect very hard to decipher, though, so I drift off a bit when she is about, although I ma sure it is very comedic. I miss the humour of Nicholas Nickleby's mother.

It is no wonder character actresses want to do Dickens though as he really does do funny women. In so many novels and plays, women play the straight role.

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ChessieFL · 01/02/2025 13:10

I thought it was funny when Pinch was so keen to see a pickpocket that Westlock just pointed to some random ‘highly respectable stranger’ and told Pinch he was one!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2025 13:53

Was there any reason for Mrs Gamp to be at the wharf other than as a spectator?

inaptonym · 01/02/2025 13:55

Piggy 😁👏summary

Fuzzy Nadgett is the private detective, hired by Tigg to dig up blackmail material on Jonas, if that helps clear up some things? (Also the Pinches' new landlord because we're in desperate coincidences needed to tie everyone together phase of proceedings 😁)

Agree on the humour, especially Tom's Sweeney Todd pie-mares.
Yet Another New Character he may be but I'm a fan of Mr Fips, the unnecessarily sinister bored-bureaucratic angelic deliverer (death-trap office included). Randomly chowing down on horsehair and stamping F's all over his legs - these are the surreal Dickensian flourishes I come for!
To lower the tone, I also smirked at this (of Tom): "Having always been an early riser, and having now no Organ to engage him in sweet converse every morning..."
I'm glad he's been handed my his dream librarian job, though! An organ may yet emerge from the piles of random crap.

Re: women
I found the omniscient narrator leching over Ruth's coy domesticity nauseating. For all her incoherence I prefer Mrs Gamp's umbrella wielding ways and latest antipathy to, er, steam engines 😁. Great point about the interesting older actress roles Piggy - I expect that's why she was the one character I'd previously heard of from this book.
Also disappointed that Charity is still just an ironically named caricatured bitch - I'd been faintly hoping she'd get a redemption arc and with her new friend Tom help save poor Mercy, now Jonas' true colours are out, but it looks like Mrs Todgers and even Gamp are being better sisters of to Mercy.

Looking forward to the next lot of chapters - expecting high drama, with all those Chekhov's razors/lancets about. Going by chapter headings it seems Martin/Mark are still going to be AWOL 😅

inaptonym · 01/02/2025 14:01

Mrs Gamp's there in midwife mode to prevent/protest (pregnant) Mercy going on a steam engine Fuzzy. How she knew of their secret sudden flight seems pure plot convenience though

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2025 14:10

What was the line relating to Mrs Todgers? 'There was a secret door with 'Woman' written on the spring'. Ouch! That's a bit harsh.

The beef-steak pie production scene was very saccharine. I thought John Westcott might have married the inn-keeper lady from The Dragon. That's so long ago, he's probably forgotten her.

Yes, Inaptonym. Thanks. Did we see Nadgett before with the elder Chuzzlewit as his clerk? I can't remember. Not to worry, it's not important.

Mr. Fips is brilliantly bonkers. I read the horsehair line twice. Thought I read it wrong!

Piggywaspushed · 01/02/2025 14:13

I'm shipping Tom's sister and Westcott for the finale.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2025 14:15

Of course Inaptonym, aha!
'Others is married and in the marriage state' including* *Mercy ('delicate young creeter').

Yes! So true about the desperate coincidences phase of proceedings! 😅

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2025 14:18

Yes Piggy! Agreed. I'm wondering who is going to have a lancet applied to their jugular 🤔

cassandre · 01/02/2025 22:01

Thanks everyone for your thoughts; they've helped me get more out of this section, because I've been a bit distracted I think, and nothing really stood out to me when I read it on my own!

I agree that highlights are Tom Pinch discovering London, and the reappearance of Mrs Gamp. Like you @inaptonym I found the depiction of Ruth a little cringey. Dickens does love to depict bright little doll-like women bustling about in the domestic sphere! And like you, @Piggywaspushed , I see Ruth getting together with John Westcott. I think the innkeeper lady at the Dragon was pining after Mark Tapley, so maybe those two will be happily reunited at some point?

And @FuzzyCaoraDhubh , brilliantly bonkers is the right depiction of Mr Fips! One thing I like about Dickens though is that many (or even most?) of his characters are described in such a lively way, and have such distinctive speech and mannerisms, that what is eclectic comes to seem practically normal, and vice versa. The whole cast of characters is a kind of motley crew, and the distinction between the bonkers people and the conventional people breaks down somewhat, if that makes sense. His novels are bristling with people who would certainly be diagnosed today as neurodivergent... but what is normality anyway?

I had a bit of a shock for some reason at learning that Tom Pinch is only 35; for some reason I had imagined him as an old man (?!). Maybe I didn't read the initial descriptions of him carefully enough. It does make sense that he's only 30-something, given that his sister seems so young and unworldly.

This section does seem to me mostly to be setting things up for exciting revelations to come. What information has given Tigg his sinister hold over Jonas? Who is Tom's mysterious benefactor?

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2025 22:27

I've just realised that I mixed up John Westcott with Mark Tapley @cassandre
It was Mark who liked the Innkeeper lady.
Oh dear!
Can anyone remember the mysterious invalid from earlier on? I wonder if he is significant to the plot at all?

Piggywaspushed · 01/02/2025 22:31

The pictures of Pinch make him look well old, too.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2025 22:32

And odd!

BadSpellaSpellaSpella · 07/02/2025 14:08

I've needed this thread because I managed to completely lose the plot in this section, alot to wrap up so feel like all the names are being thrown at me.

Piggywaspushed · 07/02/2025 19:34

Oh yes, me too!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 07/02/2025 19:37

I don't normally get mixed up with the characters but this time round I got befuddled.
Hope that's it now! All present and accounted for 🤞(tries not to jinx the next instalment).

Piggywaspushed · 07/02/2025 19:52

Right, that's your second warning!!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 07/02/2025 20:27

I'd better start behaving myself!!
Almost there at three quarters of the way through the book 😄

Piggywaspushed · 28/02/2025 17:13

Just a quick nudge as February is a short little month!!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 28/02/2025 17:27

Yes! I have only one more chapter to read tonight!

Piggywaspushed · 01/03/2025 08:06

Well , that was a slightly more dramatic instalment , beginning and ending with a coach ride (and lots of walking of course) , oodles of pathetic fallacy, attempted murder and a murder. Is the boy who was injured going to be significant? Jonas’s bad end will soon come, and hopefully Pecksniff’s. Jonas seems to be in some kind of fugue state!

Also pleasing to note that Ruth and John Westlock seem to be en route to love, angel by the hearth though she might be. Tom does adore her. I have said this before but I do think Dickens does sibling affection and platonic love very charmingly.

I am still irritated by Sairey Gamp and so I glaze over when I probably shouldn’t and have quite forgotten who Chuffey is, to my shame.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/03/2025 08:56

Hello! Happy First of March!

Chuffey is the clerk who was working for Chuzzlewit Senior. I liked his cryptic utterances. He knows that evil-doing took place. How many Chuzzlewits are there in total? One elder, two junior? Somebody was killed upstairs, according to Chuffey.
Was it another Chuzzlewit? What happened to the poor invalid of ages ago?

I found Sairey Gamp irritating as well this time round. Was she there for comedic effect? The line where she throws herself on top of Jonas 'like a feather-bed' made me laugh.

Otherwise, I thought the last chapter was very good, Jonas's flight. He's a bad 'un. His state of mind suggests that he may give himself away and crack easily under pressure. A fugue state, yes exactly!

One more instalment left in the book!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/03/2025 08:58

Mrs Gamp may have been there so Jonas could ask her to take care of Chuffey, I think.

Piggywaspushed · 01/03/2025 17:39

Just you and me this month then? Where are the Wise Ones?

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/03/2025 17:52

Tis very quiet about! I looked online for well-known quotations from this book.
Did you know this one is from MC;

'Time and tide will wait for no man'.

I didn't know that it did. Apparently!