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NEW Dickensalong - Martin Chuzzlewit 2024-2025

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Piggywaspushed · 20/07/2024 11:29

Come along and join me in the next Dickens readalong.

We have chosen Martin Chuzzlewit which was originally published by Dickens in 19 instalments, all exactly 32 pages long!

I propose condensing this to an eight month read, using Dickens' shorter sections as a guide (this is one fewer than NN). We begin in August, as follows:

August - Chapters 1 - 8
September - Chapters 9-15
October - Chapters 16-23
November - Chapters 24-29
December - Chapters 30-35
January 2025 - Chapters 36-41
February - Chapters 42-47
and finishing in
March 2025 - Chapters 48 - end

This on its publication history is interesting:

The early monthly numbers were not as successful as Dickens's previous work and sold about 20,000 copies each, as compared to 40,000 to 50,000 for the monthly numbers of the Pickwick Papers and Nicholas Nickleby, and 60,000 to 70,000 for the weekly issues of The Old Curiosity Shop. The lack of success of the novel caused a rift between Dickens and his publishers when they invoked a penalty clause in his contract requiring him to pay back money they had lent him to cover their costs.
Dickens responded to the disappointing early sales of the monthly parts compared to sales of previous works as monthly instalments; he changed the plot to send the title character to the United States. This allowed the author to portray the United States, which he had visited in 1842, satirically, as a near-wilderness with pockets of civilisation filled with deceitful and self-promoting hucksters.
Dickens's satire of American modes and manners in the novel won him no friends on the other side of the Atlantic, where the instalments containing the offending chapters were greeted with a "frenzy of wrath". As a consequence Dickens received abusive mail and newspaper clippings from the United States

Summoning old faithfuls and newcomers, one and all!

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LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 01/09/2024 13:58

I agree about the crowd of characters!
It is hard to engage with any.

I do have hopes for Mark and for Tom Pinch but would not regret sailing away from the others.

Dickens is amusing/knowing in his remarks about characters but has too many to deal with satisfactorily.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 01/09/2024 14:01

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/09/2024 09:12

I like this Dickensian alphabet card!

Great!

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 01/09/2024 20:34

Are we reacting to the opening rather as Dickens' first readers did? I heard he had disappointing sales at first.

It will be interesting to see how he recovers!

Piggywaspushed · 01/09/2024 20:58

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 01/09/2024 20:34

Are we reacting to the opening rather as Dickens' first readers did? I heard he had disappointing sales at first.

It will be interesting to see how he recovers!

Yes, apparently that's why he sent young Martin off to the US. Good point!

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LadybirdDaphne · 02/09/2024 01:40

I think my response was a little more favourable than you guys, I just love being immersed back in the Dickensian language-scape again. I agree there wasn’t anyone to really root for. Hypocrisy is a major theme and I felt the scene where young Martin bemoaned his grandfather’s selfishness and obstinacy while hogging the warmth of the fire and describing his own pig-headed actions was really well done.

I also got the giggles at the bit where Pecksmith wants to describe Mary Graham (Martin Senior’s companion) as a… pagan thing that sings in the water, and receives the suggestions ‘swan’ and ‘oyster’ rather than the apposite ‘siren’.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/09/2024 08:31

After reading it again yesterday, I started warming to it. It's early days yet. Martin is a bit of a disappointment so far but he has plenty of scope for self-development. Traveling broadens the mind!

I liked the description of Tom Pinch playing the organ in Salisbury Cathedral. I don't remember having a character who was a musician before...oh wait...somebody's uncle played the clarinet in 'Little Dorrit'. I remember the description of the orchestra pit. Not a main character though.

Also, there is a horse. Dickens writes horses well. This horse is also a little bit lacking 'wherein, said they, he was full of promise, but no performance'. But still!

I will remain optimistic. Also, I must listen to Katie's videos. Katie's enthusiasm will rub off on me.

inaptonym · 02/09/2024 11:14

👋my first readalong and first time reading this.
Which I'm enjoying a lot so far! This opening section feels much less scattershot than that of the last Dickens I read (Little Dorrit, in January) which IIRC also flopped initially, and which I ended up loving. I tend to like Dickens more for the funny than the feels, and have had plenty to grin at and a few bits that drew proper laughs.

As well as the family descriptions* and siren exchange @LadybirdDaphne quoted, I'm finding Miss Mercy Pecksniff's tweeness reliably funny, and the panto double act with her sister (and trio with pa). Quite impressed that Dickens manages to convey what a creep Jonas Chuzzlewit is, just through his interactions with these 'comic relief' women on the London journey. In a sweeter vein, I like the recurring joke of Mark Tapley's gravedigging dreams, and the un-romance with Mrs Lupin.

*I hope this (suspiciously minor) character pops up in future: 'a young gentleman, grand-nephew of Mr Martin Chuzzlewit, very dark and very hairy, and apparently born for no particular purpose but to save looking-glasses the trouble of reflecting more than just the first idea and sketchy notion of a face, which had never been carried out'. Just such a good set-up for a totally implausible plot twist later, and a meta nod and wink to the welter of characters being introduced.

Tom Pinch is borderline too sweet for me, but I did find his reverie at the bookshop very endearing. Loved the peek into early Victorian book-marketing and popular children's books. OTOH I'm fine with Martin's brattiness at this stage - my favourite Dickens heroine (Our Mutual Friend) starts off worse.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/09/2024 12:02

Hi inaptonym👋
In response to I tend to like Dickens more for the funny than for the feels...I like Dickens for both! He's brilliant when he's on form. * *

Piggywaspushed · 02/09/2024 16:38

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/09/2024 08:31

After reading it again yesterday, I started warming to it. It's early days yet. Martin is a bit of a disappointment so far but he has plenty of scope for self-development. Traveling broadens the mind!

I liked the description of Tom Pinch playing the organ in Salisbury Cathedral. I don't remember having a character who was a musician before...oh wait...somebody's uncle played the clarinet in 'Little Dorrit'. I remember the description of the orchestra pit. Not a main character though.

Also, there is a horse. Dickens writes horses well. This horse is also a little bit lacking 'wherein, said they, he was full of promise, but no performance'. But still!

I will remain optimistic. Also, I must listen to Katie's videos. Katie's enthusiasm will rub off on me.

True to form, I got terribly excited by the promise of horsey antics!

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LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 05/09/2024 09:30

I like having a musician in the cast!

Tom Pinch's sweetness and inability to see wrong keeps reminding me of one of John Finnimore's characters: Arthur - in Cabin Pressure. 😁

Piggywaspushed · 30/09/2024 10:28

Morning All

Just a thread bump for tomorrow.

I have been in hospital and am now convalescing so have had plenty of time to read, thankfully, as the chapters in tis book are often surprisingly loooong.

I do definitely have thoughts on this somewhat laborious section. My, what a lot of walking Victorians did!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 30/09/2024 10:42

Hi Piggy! I hope your convalescence is going well. I am picturing you reclining on a chaise-longue; your book and bowl of snacks fruit within easy reach.

I have one chapter left to read today!
Yes. They walked a lot and every meal seems to consist of meat!

Piggywaspushed · 30/09/2024 10:43

I wish I was convalescing like a Victorian lady. I do, at least, have a reclining chair!
So. Much. Meat.

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ChessieFL · 30/09/2024 16:28

I thought that about the walking! You’d get some very odd looks nowadays if you said you were going to walk that far just to visit someone but I suppose it was much more normal in those days. It’s no wonder we’re all so much bigger now when you consider how much walking they all did.

Piggywaspushed · 01/10/2024 07:25

Reading this second section, I can quite see why Victorian readers were a bit turned off and a decision was made to liven everything up by packing Martin off to the promised land . Not so promising for Tom, who utters ‘No! Don’t go to America!’ in promise of horror.

I like Tom ,and am utterly relieved Mark is going to America too as I still cannot abide the vapid, self absorbed, vain protagonist, even if he does stand up to Pecksniff. Some highlights:

[Martin]found a curious gratification…in thinking what a winning fellow he must be to have made such an impression upon Tom; and in reflecting how superior he was to Tom

‘She is worthy of the sacrifices I have made… yes she is, no doubt of it.’ After pocketing the ring.

‘Why, you don’t suppose there is a living creature on this ship who can by possibility have half as much to undergo on board of her as I do?’

What a chump.

Mark Tapley, conversely is lovely. I know this is a Dickens supporting character thing – but in this novel he has lovely Mary, delightful Pinch and adorable Mark Tapley all better people than our ‘hero’ and he is so undeserving of them.

I’m interested in Mary. She has a bit of spirit, I hope.

Dickens’ prose in this novel seems quite fanciful? Lots of authorial voice and ’harks’ and ‘whithers’. Lots more description of scenery whilst they walk incessantly : It’s all a bit overblown. But I liked the ship chapter with its descriptions of ship life and Mark’s seasickness. And Mark's peculiar comparison of the ever moving sea with some poor captive polar bears??
I think this book lacks, thus far, the richly comic passages and creations of Nicholas Nickleby, and I found the Todgers bits protracted and dull and not as diverting as Dickens thought they were.

On the food point - obviously all the walking for the more middle classes was cancelled out by gout from all that red meat and wine! I can't think of another author who focuses so much on what people eat? Dickens did like to describe a meal, didn't he? It's an interesting slice of food history. Pun intended. Sitting down to eat was obviously terribly important to the Victorians. I read Scoff a while back and I think she writes about this. I should receive my copy of Stuffed by the same author this week. Really interesting books. I wonder what Martin and Mark will eat in the US!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/10/2024 08:39

Morning Piggy!

I enjoyed your analysis of this section.
I definitely preferred it to the first instalment. I found the Pecksniffs and Martin Chuzzlechump Chuzzlewit too much in their combined awfulness. These types are bearable when paired with a decent sort like the lovely Mark Tapley. I know we had Tom Pinch from the beginning but he is an underdog and I felt sorry for him in his situation.

The chapter describing conditions on the ship was very good, the best part of the book so far I think. The poor people in steerage had an awful time, didn't they. The contrast between Mark's and Martin's behaviour was striking. Mark is no dummy. He has the measure of Martin already. I'm looking forward to seeing what they make of life in America. I'm expecting Martin to undergo a transformation and become a better person and then become worthy of Mary. Or maybe she'll marry Tom Pinch!

The Todgers section was okay, a bit long perhaps. I also think that Dickens is trying a bit too hard to be funny, although I did laugh when the posh man shouted at Pecksniff to get off his lawn and I liked the Codgers/Todgers joke. I must admit, I skimmed some of the introduction to the ship sailing on the high seas. That was also a bit long. Sorry Dickens!

So far, I'm still of the opinion that this will not be my favourite Dickens, but the change of scene makes it interesting. I'm looking forward to what happens next.

I'll go back over it to look over the good bits.

ChessieFL · 01/10/2024 08:49

I thought I had finished the section on time but I’ve just realised I’ve somehow missed the last chapter so I’ll come back this evening when I’ve read that!

LadybirdDaphne · 01/10/2024 08:50

It’s taking me a long time to get through this section and I still have about 25 pages to go. Unlikeable people apparently travelling around just to get to the next mealtime - now Martin is on the road to London (but at least found a pub serving bacon and eggs en route). It got a bit better when Tom Pinch showed up, and now I have the inspiration of knowing Mark Tapley is about to show up again.

Tom’s desperate cry of, “Don’t be so dreadfully regardless of yourself. Don’t go to America!” did make me laugh too.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/10/2024 08:50

ChessieFL · 01/10/2024 08:49

I thought I had finished the section on time but I’ve just realised I’ve somehow missed the last chapter so I’ll come back this evening when I’ve read that!

That's the best bit Chessie!

Piggywaspushed · 01/10/2024 08:51

And the shortest!

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Piggywaspushed · 01/10/2024 08:52

Don’t be so dreadfully regardless of yourself.

Grin
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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/10/2024 08:53

And the shortest particularly if you skim the intro oops will go back to it on the reread!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/10/2024 08:53

That's a great line 😄

inaptonym · 01/10/2024 12:49

While I enjoyed (reading about) the Pecksniffs more than others here I'd agree that the pacing in this section was awkward. I see what you're doing with your extended walking > riding rant, Charles, and I ain't buying it! Thankfully Martin the Brat Younger has been dispatched to America in reasonable time and I'm looking forward to the next instalment.
I've probably expended too much loathing on monstrous Jonas Chuzzlewit to feel as violently towards the Pecksniffs or Martin as they deserve. Their poor, poor old clerk Chuffey! Shades of the darkest future for Tom Pinch. (I'm not sure if everyone's reading an illustrated edition, but the one of Jonas' card tricks has excellent detail.)

Always lap up the food details in Dickens (any other Aubrey/Maturin fans grin at the 'wittles is up' announcement at Todgers?) and I think the attention he lavishes on it is one reason he's often seen as appealing to/suitable for children, and the childish 🙋🏻‍♀️ Although the coyly flirtatious jam tart joke was yikes.

@Piggywaspushed Dickens’ prose in this novel seems quite fanciful? Lots of authorial voice and ’harks’ and ‘whithers’.
I've also been spotting fairytale/mythic elements throughout: that extended chivalric romance bit sparked by the dragon on the inn sign in the first groupread section; all the references to The Arabian Nights; Martin heading off to Seek His Fortune with talismanic gifts he completely fails to recognise/value truly (Tom's half-crown, Mary's ring). By fairytale logic there should be a third lucky charm, but maybe that's lovely Mark Tapley? Or was it the (cursed) mystery £20 note?

I've been pleasantly surprised by the writing of Mary, in her brief scene during this section, her complexity and self-awareness blending with the narrator's foreshadowing and what we know of Martin's true character, manage to complicate the love story without diminishing the truth of her feelings. Highlighted this (again blending the pointedly moral with fairytale fanciful):
Was there nothing jarring and discordant even in his tone of courage, with this one note self for ever audible, however high the strain? Not in her ears. It had been better otherwise perhaps, but so it was. ...The heart where self has found no place and raised no throne, is slow to recognise its ugly presence when it looks upon it. As one possessed of an evil spirit was held in old time to be alone conscious of the lurking demon in the breasts of other men, so kindred vices know each other in their hiding-places every day, when Virtue is incredulous and blind.
Shocked, shocked (not that shocked) that Dickens is advocating for True Love as intentionally blind and selectively deaf.👀

Best footnote so far: 'a favourite melodrama of Dickens, The Forest of Bondy (1814) in which a dog detective, the Dog of Montargis, prevents an unjust execution' - um, REVIVAL WHEN?

Piggywaspushed · 01/10/2024 13:11

A dog detective, you say??

This sounds EPIC.

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