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NEW Dickensalong - Martin Chuzzlewit 2024-2025

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Piggywaspushed · 20/07/2024 11:29

Come along and join me in the next Dickens readalong.

We have chosen Martin Chuzzlewit which was originally published by Dickens in 19 instalments, all exactly 32 pages long!

I propose condensing this to an eight month read, using Dickens' shorter sections as a guide (this is one fewer than NN). We begin in August, as follows:

August - Chapters 1 - 8
September - Chapters 9-15
October - Chapters 16-23
November - Chapters 24-29
December - Chapters 30-35
January 2025 - Chapters 36-41
February - Chapters 42-47
and finishing in
March 2025 - Chapters 48 - end

This on its publication history is interesting:

The early monthly numbers were not as successful as Dickens's previous work and sold about 20,000 copies each, as compared to 40,000 to 50,000 for the monthly numbers of the Pickwick Papers and Nicholas Nickleby, and 60,000 to 70,000 for the weekly issues of The Old Curiosity Shop. The lack of success of the novel caused a rift between Dickens and his publishers when they invoked a penalty clause in his contract requiring him to pay back money they had lent him to cover their costs.
Dickens responded to the disappointing early sales of the monthly parts compared to sales of previous works as monthly instalments; he changed the plot to send the title character to the United States. This allowed the author to portray the United States, which he had visited in 1842, satirically, as a near-wilderness with pockets of civilisation filled with deceitful and self-promoting hucksters.
Dickens's satire of American modes and manners in the novel won him no friends on the other side of the Atlantic, where the instalments containing the offending chapters were greeted with a "frenzy of wrath". As a consequence Dickens received abusive mail and newspaper clippings from the United States

Summoning old faithfuls and newcomers, one and all!

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Piggywaspushed · 01/12/2024 08:10

Morning!

I must say I am finding this book very odd. It's eponymous protagonist is so rarely in it. I checked and we don't meet him for another 50 pages.

Meantime, I think I did not pay enough attention in earlier London sections, thinking they were a side show and now everyone from that bit is a main part! My habit of skim reading is catching up on me! And I miss/need a Katie like discussion video of sections.

Jonas is vile enough to keep me reading though. I always think Dickens must have based men like him on people he hated (Thackeray perhaps??). I liked this swipe
Jonas grew talkative.

It does not follow in the case of such a person that the more talkative he becomes, the more agreeable he is ; on the contrary , his merits show to most advantage, perhaps, in silence'

I am pleased to see him being 'gulled' but I don't really understand who those people are or what they are up to. I liked the simile of Jonas thinking he was rolled up like a hedgehog but actually betraying all of his vulnerable parts to their winking watchfulness.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/12/2024 09:38

Good morning! I feel that every time I read an instalment of this that I'm reading a different book. We have left America behind and are back in London. We are still meeting new characters at about half way through the book. I thought this section had a good number of character portraits; Poll Sweedlepipe, Dr. Jobbing, David Crimple, Nadgett the clerk. Dickens does these well.

The plot is still not clear although the warning given by Chuffey the clerk on hearing about the marriage between Jonas and Mercy 'Woe upon this wicked house' gives an indication that something is afoot, a nefarious scheme that may have something to do with life assurance as per Jonas's query at the Anglo-Bengalee Company. Also there was a warning given by Old Martin Chuzzlewit which Mercy didn't take heed of. I agree that Jonas is a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

I think there are too many characters in this book. Were we supposed to know who the invalid was, the friend of John Westlock? All in all, I enjoyed the section more than previous ones. I thought it was more relaxed and more enjoyable than previous ones. Good quotes there, Piggy. I particularly like the image of the hedgehog.

ChessieFL · 01/12/2024 12:40

I am a bit behind and have only read two of this month’s chapters - will be back when I have caught up!

LadybirdDaphne · 02/12/2024 08:01

I think what’s going on with the life assurance company is that they are tricking people into buying policies when they don’t actually have any property/capital to back the insurance (they are pretending to have property in Bengal). They’ve let Jonas think he is part of the scam, but in reality they’re planning to rob him too. Tigg Montague is a scrounger who was hanging about the Chuzzlewits/Pecksniffs in the early chapters and has now come up with this life assurance scheme. Bailey was previously a servant boy at Todger’s lodging house but now drives Tigg’s carriage and fancies himself as a sporting rake (although he’s not old enough to grow a beard yet).

I liked this section too, especially Mrs Gamp - something about her hairpiece that couldn’t be considered ‘fake’ as it wasn’t really trying at deception. No clue who the patient she has been looking after (or not…) is though.

Piggywaspushed · 02/12/2024 15:30

I assume it's some kind of East India Company parody? This is me very vaguely remembering school history....

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/12/2024 16:13

There was an informative footnote about it.

Piggywaspushed · 02/12/2024 16:27

I don't get helpful footnotes, I don't believe. My edition has vanishingly few and they aren't awfully informative!.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/12/2024 16:37

Gosh Piggy. My edition has loads! And illustrations too!

Piggywaspushed · 02/12/2024 16:43

I have illustrations!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 02/12/2024 16:46

Ah good! I do like them. It's like a reward for getting through an especially large chunk of text. Well done for persevering, dear reader. And now, a picture for you :)

ChessieFL · 03/12/2024 20:56

I have now caught up. I don’t really have much to add to the comments above except to say that I agree with everything you’ve said about the lack of main character/too many new characters/nothing really tying together all the various storylines yet. I’m finding it quite hard to keep track of who everyone is and their various relationships with other characters. You can see why this one was less successful than some of his others.

ChessieFL · 03/12/2024 20:56

Oh and I have illustrations but no footnotes!

Piggywaspushed · 27/12/2024 16:51

Just a festive reminder to finish your instalment (to end Ch 35) for next year!

I was somewhat disappointed by a footnote that prosaically tells me that a poorly landed kiss on Charity's 'snuffers' isn't as smutty as it sounded. They should have left that to our imaginations!

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Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2025 09:41

Morning and Happy New Year to all!

Thankfully the last chapter was short so I got through it yesterday.

Thank goodness Martin has come back from America. I found those chapters a bit pointless, miserable, nasty and impenetrable at times . I paid so little attention I probably didn't notice Something Very Important. I did find it diverting that the Brits are taken aback by the American fondness of weaponry.

Pecksniff gets worse and worse doesn't he? Poor Tom!

I must say I loved this description from Dickens:

His compass was broken, his chart destroyed, his chronometer had topped, his masts were gone by the board; his anchor was adrift, ten thousand leagues away.

It' so affecting, and Pecksniff has done nothing to deserve it.

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LadybirdDaphne · 01/01/2025 10:11

Happy New Year Piggy and all Dickens readalongers!

I’m glad that we’re out of America too. There was sort of a point to the whole episode, in that Martin had to suffer a bit so he could see what a self-centred plonker he’d been throughout his life to date, but the satire against American culture got very laboured and repetitive.

Pecksniff is a real creep now he’s got started on Mary Graham, and I hope he has some suitably Dickensian comeuppance coming up. Hopefully Mrs Gamp neglects nurses him to death or something.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/01/2025 11:02

Happy New Year Piggy and everyone!

I'm also very happy to have finished with America. I didn't like those chapters at all and agree with LadyBird that Dickens laboured the point way too much on why he hated American society. I also agree that Martin's near death experience will make him a better person. There have been relatively few chapters dedicated to Martin's American trip (thankfully).We left himself and Mark in the swamp in chapter 23 and returned to them ten chapters later with an incredibly clumsy transition as the first line of the chapter.

Hopefully Mrs Glamp nurses him to death made me laugh 😄

Poor Tom Pinch. He didn't deserve it.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/01/2025 11:38

I don't think there was any mention of what they ate while they were in America?
(I've been looking back on our discussion to date). Oh wait, there was. All I can remember is that Dickens says that Americans are greedy and eat by the shovelful.

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2025 11:42

He really didn't like them, did he? If memory serves it was one of Dickens' own trips to the US that made him very ill and he never fully recovered.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/01/2025 12:02

He certainly doesn't come across as unbiased!

ChessieFL · 01/01/2025 18:05

I quite enjoyed all the America stuff! It was a bit different and interesting to see it through Dickens’ (albeit biased) eyes. I was surprised they didn’t do more while they were there though.

I am also hoping Pecksniff gets his comeuppance. I felt so sorry for Mary in that chapter! And poor Tom too.

inaptonym · 01/01/2025 21:38

Happy New Year, Chuzzlewits!

Only just realised I forgot to post last month/year 🤦🏻‍♀️ I spotted yet more fairytale elements and references (and graveyards), but it did feel like a setting-things-up set of chapters (all-out resetting/retconning at times), so my comments were more speculative than substantive anyway.

Quick belated cheer for Tom coming into his own. I loved the illustration of him brandishing a large knife while remorsefully helping minister to Jonas 😁It's striking how closely his plotline is continuing to parallel Martin's with disillusionment as hero origin story - even the nautical/navigational quote Piggy posted applying to both T's emotional and M's physical situations at the time. Sweet Tom would be a more conventional hero, and in emphasising this contrast Dickens seems to be testing his audience in choosing (and having Mary choose) the lesser/less sympathetic man.

I see the American stuff has been testing for many too, though like ChessieFL I've mostly enjoyed it. Less so the final chapters, although I liked the waffle-off between Pogram (another on-the-nose name) and the Transcendental literary ladies: 'being all four out of their depths, and all unable to swim, they splashed up words in all directions, and floundered about famously.'
I think the viciousness of the satire measures Dickens' own fresh disillusionment as someone who'd over-idealised the country before visiting - Paris syndrome avant la lettre. Evidently he did come around to a cooler, more balanced view later, as he was famous for (and made pots of money) touring America later in life - which I think coincided with his ill health in age, rather than being the cause.

However, now things have been wrapped up (with slightly hilarious efficiency), it does feel like the whole US section was designed to be easily excised / edited in future editions so Martin could learn His Very Important Lesson in some other way - I wonder if that means the reader numbers went up or down? Would have been a shame to miss Mark Tapley at death's door feebly writing 'Jolly' on his slate, though.

Still enjoying it, maybe because I'm less of a Dickens fan than many of you? I tend to go in expecting slightly shit picaresque lulls, and so far the most boring part for me has been the life assurance fraud plot. I recognise it ties in thematically with the whole 'worth of a life/death/self' thing, and the greed and appearance/reality themes, but a bit too neatly, feels predictable.
Likewise the Pecksniff pounce - I felt he was shaping up to be a more interesting villain without it, and Mary a more interesting female love interest, though clearly that's a minority view again. While I'm glad it launches Tom on his hero's journey, it also makes Martin the elder a far weaker character if he's fallen this easily under P's thumb - another development that really needed to have been shown rather than told, to have any impact....

Sorry this is sooooo long and rambling: you can take the girl out of America.... 😅
TLDR: Mixed bag, roll on the endgame!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/01/2025 22:04

I haven't read your review yet @inaptonym but the first line ('Hello Chuzzlewits!') was worth it already 😄

inaptonym · 01/01/2025 22:10

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/01/2025 22:04

I haven't read your review yet @inaptonym but the first line ('Hello Chuzzlewits!') was worth it already 😄

You can scroll to the end, Fuzzy! In fact I'd recommend it 😅

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2025 22:13

Pecksniff was an answer on UC last night!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/01/2025 22:18

Very interesting comments Inaptonym!
Lots to think about. I'm afraid* *I rather like the predictable but I agree with a lot of your points about the elder Martin and his weakened position and Pecksniff becoming a real villain. Dickens tends to turn baddies into pantomime villains. And Mary's position between two suitors is interesting. The odds were stacked against Martin but may now be in his favour if he has become a reformed character. I thought he had turned the corner on his oozy swamp deathbed, but you don't seem to think so, Inaptonym.