Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - the SPOILER thread!

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Don't post here if you don't want to know who dies and what happens.

You've been warned.

and happy birthday Harry! ( and JKR)

Aah is it her birthday today too.
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i love the little bits of humour she puts in like the 6 harry's stripping off.
i'm rereading now. poor hedwig
and moody. i was hoping he was alive too and had just lost his eye.

Persephone, Snape was good - yaaaaaaaaaay. think his story touched me more than nearly anything.

Norks - The sword that Neville pulled out of the Sorting Hat was Gryffindor's sword. The hat belonged to him too so when Neville asked for help it magically produced the sword - just like it did for Harry in CoS. Griphook said that Gryffindor stole it because he wasn't the goblin who made it - but it was rightfully Gryffindor's, he bought it.

The fact that Neville got the sword proves that he is a true Gryffindor.

i thought that a true gryffinor would get the sword when it was truly needed.......no one can actually own the sword can they?????? and happy birthday to HARRY !!!!!!!!

I guess the sword must 'live' somewhere. Maybe it has a 'protector' who looks after it when it isn't being whisked off to save true Gryffindors in trouble!

Oh and Happy Birthday Harry and JKR!

Happy birthday harry & JKR

the live chat transcript will be on the bloomsbury site later today so I think I will save my eyes and headache for then!

and in true Dobby style:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HARRY POTTER

whoohoo! butterbeers all round!

Mrs W, i don't blame you at all. my eyes still itch.

BOM - the snape bit that gets me the most is keeping the second page of Lilys letter to padfoot and when DD says no-one will know the be st of you. my dd just read when harry finds Lilys letter and i made her read that paragraph twice, so the significance would sink in.

The bit that gets me PS is when he asks Harry to look at him so he sees Lily's eyes as he's dying and when DD turns back to him with tears in his eyes after he sees that Snape's patronus is a doe.

but I still dont get how he could look into Harry's eyes and still be really horrid to him! Surely he would look into those lovely eyes and feel remorse and love

I guess he avoided the eyes and concentrated more on how he looked like James

I'm so dumb . . . That's why he wanted to look into his eyes!!!! I did rush read it first time so I could freely watch tv and listen to radio etc without spoliers. Am now re-reading at leisure - taking time to concentrate on important bits. May have to skip the dobby bit though. Too too too sad (and I found him annoying at first!)

Definitely concentrated on the James stuff - the way he described him as arrogant, happy to find himself famous and mediocre like his father.

yeah but snape only hated james so much cos he got the girl......snape just dwelled on that for the rest of his days......he made himself dislike harry because he couldnt bear to be reminded of the woman he loved and gave a death sentence to......thought it was lovely that he looked into harrys eyes before he died and we all know he wasnt a shit in th end

No, Snape hated James because he was a bullying, arrogant bastard.

I think you're giving James a raw deal

Yes he was a bullying arrogant bastard, but he had a conscience - he went to save Snape when Sirius sent him down to the shrieking shack to get eaten by Lupin, he hated the dark arts and he got Lily because there were good things about him. Snape couldn't recongise the good things because he got Lily.

Also he told Lily to get out with Harry - he knew he was going to die but tried to give her time to escape (why didn't she disapparate)?

I don't think you can disapparate into or out of a house with protective enchantments can you? Otherwise they could have done it straight into 12 Grimmauld Place, rather than on the doorstep.
I think Snape hated James before he got Lily, for the reasons stated, and hated him even more when he did get Lily. There were things loveable James though, otherwise there's no way Lily would have married him. She also ended up friends with Lupin, PP and Sirius so she must have come to realise that they weren't all as hateful as they had come across when they were younger.

I cried when he summoned his family with the stone, and when I realised Snape's patronus was a Doe. .

I always actually liked Snape

my DS came into me with "dust" in his eyes. He had just read about Dobby

James was an arrogant teenager, then he grew up. He was probably lovely as a grown up. And he and Snape were like Harry and Draco, except with Lily in the middle which would, of course, make them worse.

Persephone, I know, when Harry sees him crying over the letter. He must have been tortured by the fact that he led V to kill her. Even if it's his fault it wouldn't make him feel any better/worse about it. And it turned him into a good guy in the end. What a sad life he had.

Someone on that Q&A with JKR asked why Snape was so unkempt. She said that she figured he saw other things as important, but I would have thought that it was because he didn't see any point in looking nice - who would it be for? The only woman he ever wanted to impress was dead You know how it feels when you've split up with someone, you just want to slob out - so that is what Snape was doing but for a lot longer

I wonder if it was deliberate on jk rowling's part but she seems to have made Harry's parents, particularily James, a bit of an 'unknown quantity' in terms of what they were actually like. Apart from what we see in the flashbacks to them as teenagers, and what other people say about them as adults, both of which don't amount to a great deal. There is more reference to what they look like (for obvious reasons). I think her sympathies lay with Snape. She's good at portraying people acting inappropriately or badly due to their prejudices, but not necessarily being 'evil' people because of it.

Easier to read transcript here

Loved it, answered sooooo many questions.

The bit in the interview about partners often having linked patronuses - do you think Ginny's would be a doe as well?