Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - the SPOILER thread!

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Don't post here if you don't want to know who dies and what happens.

You've been warned.

Have just managed to complete the book having spent a w/e in seclusion - no newspapers or internet. Really cried at the part where the resurrection stone brought back his parents - found that really emotional......

Was expecting more from Petunia though ?

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Well I have one thing to say to all people who poo-poohed my "Harry is a Horcrux" theory..

ner ner ner ner told yer so

I was gutted about Dobby, more than any of the other deaths apart from possibly Fred.

Tbe Snape/Lily stuff was a good idea but not particularly well executed imo.

Am now going to read the rest of the books again so I can see what there is of significance in them.

I was so looking forward to seeing who came into magic later in life.

Snape is a goody - not a shock
Harry is a horcrux - not a shock
Neville becomes Herbology professor - not a shock
Harry has kids called Lily & James - not a shock

I wonder who is headmaster @ hogwarts 19 years on????

I'm a bit disappointed with the book tbh. Compared to the others in the series it was all just a bit derivative - hero wanders around for ages in the wilderness carrying an object central to the plot that affects him and his companions (like Lord of the Rings), baddy can possess people who he thinks are friends (like Terminator 2!), hero sacrifices himself and thereby gets resurected and wins the day (like Lion Witch and Wardrobe, not to mention the Bible!).

Also how come we've never seen Patronus's can talk before (until of course its necessary for the plot); wasn't it convenient that just as the trio lose the one thing that can destroy Horcruxes, all of a suden they remember something else; also what happened to the thing about Horcruxes desperately trying not to be destroyed - Ron had a really bad time destroying the locket and then Hermione manages hers and it just gets referred to in a single sentence; and I found the "wand top trumps" at the end a bit silly too tbh.

I'm also really annoyed that after Harry's speech to lupin about not deserting Teddy which seems to have had the desired effect, all of a sudden BOTH his parents desert him and go into battle...

All in all, I've really enjoyed the series up until book 7 (except Book 5 which was really crying out for an editor)and now I'm left with a sort of candy floss feeling :-(

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I must admit I did think at a few points "oh soandso was right about that then" and had a little laugh to myself

Patronuses talked in HBP, Tonks sent hers up to the castle after she found Harry.

oh, yess, forgot abut talking Patronus in HBP - I take that criticism back!

Quick question for you - if the Elder wand is undefeatable (is that a word?!) then how would anyone ever win it?! i.e. how did Dumbledore win it from Grindelwald in their dual?

Grindelwald stole it from Gregorovitch didn't he? So maybe he never really had it under complete control?

yeah good point RD! Guess that one really isn't properly explained is it?! Still loved the book though and cried my eyes out a few times - especially at the end when the dead parents help him and then when McGonagall makes that roaring No etc. Oh it was fab!

but if Grindelwald never had it under complete control because he didn't win it fair and square how come Dumbledore DID have it under complete control?

I mean why isn't it the same as Snape didn't win it from Dumbledore therefore Voldey couldn't win it from Snape - Grindelwald didn't win it from Gregorovitch but Dumbledore COULD win it from Grindelwald... doesn't make sense -or is it just me...

 
 But if Neville & Prof Sprout had to wear earmuffs, why didn't the mandrakes kill <strong>everyone</strong> else, not just the enemy? 
 Did Neville go arond putting earmuffs on everyone? Or do the mandrakes have a very short range?

Maybe Dumbledore tricked Grindlewald into putting down the wand - you don't have to defeat the wand to gain mastery of it, just its owner - because it's the wand that decides who its master is.

I'm going to have to read it again now to work it all out.... shame

Right - Finally finished the book, and this thread!

I really enjoyed it. Sobbed like a mad woman when Dobby died!!

Felt that Lupin/Tonks were killed off too quickly. I know it was at a really frenetic part of the book but could have been done a bit better I thought.

Loved the whole battle bit, some bits made me laugh some made me cry - especially loved the 'second wave' with the centaurs, house elves and everyone.

Was very disappointed with the epilogue - no where near enough detail.
I thought we were going to find out more about the professors! And disappointed that the Dursley's didn't play a bigger part.

I don't know who did magic late in life - think it was a red herring.

Loved it .. can anyone enlighten me as to the "flayed" baby in the Deathly Hallows, I still can't work it out !

(I also cried when Dobby died and when Snape was revealed as a goody even though I was sure he had been all along)

The epilogue was pants Loved the Jackie Collins analogy !

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bugger forgot the space leaving

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the flayed baby is the bit of Voldemort that died in Harry

Thanks Bill !

its a bit sick that bit imo

Must admit I sort of skim read that bit (hence my rather shamefull lack of understanding) as I really didn't want to think too hard about it either

Difficult to know why Grindelwald lost the wand. How does the wand ever get passed on if it's undefeatable? It must be through trickery? Or killing the holder of the wand while their asleep? Who knows!

Attila - the mandrakes were being hurled over the castle walls so I assume that the rest of the school were far enough away not to hear the cry.

'they're' asleep even. Even dead owls can spot bad grammar

sorry i'm late everyone, i've been away this weekend.

chapter 33 was my absolute favourite. so sad, that someone has such a lonely life, forvever carrying a torch. I don't get that lily fell out with severus because he called her a m*bl*d. I think she was looking for a way out and an easy life with james. I don't get how she switched from hating james to marrying him ( I would have liked some moment between them that Snape oversaw)

I did predict Severus was Harrys 'real' father. well, he still could be ( clutches at straws) but he was in loco parentis. more than Harrys Godfather. he always protected him and looked out for him - keeping it secret ( that teared me up actually, that dumbeldore said people would never know the best of him)

and i even got one of Harrys sons names right ( albus severus!) ( so nyah to all your ' oh i knew he was a horcrux all along!) wish I'd had a tenner on that!

did love it though. agree the 19 years later was an anti climax.

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I thought Snape was just confused and very very unhappy to turn on the one person who he had had a decent relationship with. Maybe he knew that she would never love him.

Snapes death was the saddest part, I thought. He was the only one of JKR's sad orphans and neglected children who deserved love and never found it. And he dies in such an accidental sort of way.

Now you see I didn't get the switch to loving James was that unlikely at all. After all - isn't love/hate opposite sides of the same coin. Maybe acting as if she hated him because she didn't want to acknowledge her own growing feelings for him?

Indifference to love I'd find much harder to believe, tbh...