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30 plants a week

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PrawnDumplings · 11/01/2024 07:38

Improving my microbiome and therefore my health and energy is my current aim.

Good gut bacteria helps absorption of nutrients from your food, which supposedly means you have less cravings.

I'm going to list my 30 plants here if anyone wants to join me.

Fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, spices all count 🍆🍑🍌🍊🍎🍓🍍🍒🥑🥒🌱🥔🍋🍉🌽🥙🥦

https://zoe.com/learn/30-plants-per-week?utmsource=googleepmax&utmmedium=&utmmcampaign=20382344316&utmadgroup=&utmmterm=&utmcontent=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6cqk0ujUgwMVnplQBh11wA5tEAAYASAAEgJQ11D_BwE

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ErrolTheDragon · 16/01/2024 20:25

NerdWhoEatsMedlar sounds like an excellent name if you're due a change, @AnotherAdventFridge Grin

AnotherAdventFridge · 16/01/2024 20:31

@ErrolTheDragon are you trying to drop hints that it is no longer advent?

Itsholly · 16/01/2024 20:35

How much is the Zoe membership to get the stool sample test?

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 16/01/2024 20:40

32 Brocolli
33Gigantes beans
34 Black beans
35 Potato
36 Sweet potato

Plus I finally cooked the sour dough, so toast
37 Wholewheat
38 Spelt
39 Rye

And crumble
40 Apple
41 Pear (where the heck did that come from, I've not bought any for ages)
42 Blood orange
43 Mango
44 Oats
45 Almonds
Dinner was so filling, I've only had one tablespoon of crumble. Might have it for a couple of meals tomorrow.

AnotherAdventFridge · 16/01/2024 20:45

Itsholly · 16/01/2024 20:35

How much is the Zoe membership to get the stool sample test?

I think is is in excess of £250
https://webflow.joinzoe.com/

ZOE - Understand how your body responds to food

ZOE analyzes your unique gut, blood fat and blood sugar responses. So you can take back control of your health & weight

https://webflow.joinzoe.com

AnotherAdventFridge · 16/01/2024 20:51

@Itsholly the youtube stuff is free, the web site can be useful but seems like hard work at the moment.

The price included the whole package, poop test, fat processing test, CGM and a few weeks coaching.

I'd only say it was worth it if you are able to very easily afford it and feel more motivated by things you pay for rather than free things.

Tim Spector is a middle aged, middle classed, white man who had a bit of a health scare.
Sarah Berry is ace but she is probably the least featured of their scientists.

AnotherAdventFridge · 16/01/2024 20:52

Whoops, I'm sock puppeting.

ErnestCelendine · 16/01/2024 21:03

I've been doing this for a few days and feel so much more full now that I've switched crisps for nuts and seeds 😅 I don't even fancy the cake on the side which is unheard of for me.

Quick wins are Lizi's no sugar granola (8 nuts and seeds) with banana, grapes and raspberries. Also adding turmeric and spinach to scrambled egg just to get more in and realising how good it is.

I'm on 36 now so even if coffee, mint tea and dark chocolate don't count, I've still hit target.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/01/2024 21:11

I was 21 or more yesterday, today added
Pearl barley
Potato
Parsnip
Carrot
Celery
Green lentils
Blueberries
Aubergine
Chick peas
Orange pepper
Raspberries

And black pepper, Bay leaf, thyme, cardamom, 2 types of curry powder

I've also had wheat and rye but I'm only counting whole grains like the barley.

KTSl1964 · 16/01/2024 21:41

Raspberry, blueberry, strawberry, blackcurrants, celery, onion, peas, brocolli, garlic, potatoes, cauliflower, carrots, peaches, satsumas, apples, lettuce and red cabbage so 18 so far this week. Does help me think more about the variety I can have and inspire me to cook.

SkiGirl009 · 16/01/2024 21:49

So is it the variety over the week not just one day? I hit 20 I think today using the granola trick to get 8, had another 5 lunch and 5 dinner & drinks. I could have made more effort with fruit snacks I’ll try that tomorrow as dinner let me down abit as I was working late & it was a shove in oven tea but I had mixed salad with it to
boost variety instead of beans.

PrawnDumplings · 16/01/2024 21:49

ErnestCelendine · 16/01/2024 21:03

I've been doing this for a few days and feel so much more full now that I've switched crisps for nuts and seeds 😅 I don't even fancy the cake on the side which is unheard of for me.

Quick wins are Lizi's no sugar granola (8 nuts and seeds) with banana, grapes and raspberries. Also adding turmeric and spinach to scrambled egg just to get more in and realising how good it is.

I'm on 36 now so even if coffee, mint tea and dark chocolate don't count, I've still hit target.

I am definitely feeling less hungry!

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AnotherAdventFridge · 16/01/2024 21:53

For any fellow nerds, research that led to the 30 a week recommendation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5954204/

Dr Will Bulsiewicz explaining the rules

And my dinner because the bean stew was really tasty and also because it didn't contain any sauerkraut. I may have bought a whole fermented cabbage at the weekend.

30 plants a week
PrawnDumplings · 16/01/2024 21:55

1 beans
2 mushrooms
3 avocado
4 coffee
5 butter beans
6 mint
7 parsley
8 capers
9 garlic
10 gherkins
11 olive oil
12 Black pepper
13 lemon
14 Potato
15 red pepper
16 lettuce
17 red onion
18 cucumber
19 satsuma
20 carrot
21 baby sweetcorn
22 pal choi
23 tofu
24 chilli
25 ginger
26 coriander
27 rice
28 garlic
29 sugar snap peas

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PrawnDumplings · 16/01/2024 21:57

AnotherAdventFridge · 16/01/2024 21:53

For any fellow nerds, research that led to the 30 a week recommendation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5954204/

Dr Will Bulsiewicz explaining the rules

And my dinner because the bean stew was really tasty and also because it didn't contain any sauerkraut. I may have bought a whole fermented cabbage at the weekend.

Ooo thanks for the links! 😊👍

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AnotherAdventFridge · 17/01/2024 18:22

Day four of my week, heavily into repeats.

46 Green pepper
47 Pak choi

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 17/01/2024 21:14

waistchallenge · 16/01/2024 15:40

I've just realised the purpose of this is not weight loss but related to the gut. I've never had any sort of gut issues (lifelong vegetarian may be the cause) so I guess I can skip this one 😅

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I started following the advice to improve my gut microbiome in February 2022 after hearing the podcast where the scientist being interviewed said that her test subjects had reduced the inflammation markers in their blood by 18 percent, just by adding 6 small portions of fermented foods to their daily diet. I was crippled by rheumatoid arthritis and decided I had nothing to lose by giving it a go.
At the time my BMI was 59.5 and I was wearing UK dress size 36.
From 1st March I started recording everything I ate in a myfitnesspal food diary, not trying to restrict calorie intake, just wanting to see exactly what, and how much I was eating. That first month I was eating between 3000 and 3800 kcals/day. I didn't weigh myself before starting, but at my last diabetes appointment in 2021 I'd weighed in at 160kg.
Every day when I completed the myfitnesspal food diary it told me that if I continued to eat the same way for five weeks I would have gained a kilo or more. So at the end of March I decided to weigh myself to see how much I had gained. The scales said I had lost 10.5kgs, which didn't seem likely, so I decided the batteries must be going flat and resolved to add some new batteries to my next shopping order.

In April I was absolutely baffled by a reading of 140.4kg. Somehow I'd managed to lose 19.6kg without dieting, I'd been concentrating on eating loads of plants, whole grains, beans and lentils, fermented foods, healthy fats, inulin, and not eating anything at all for 14 hours every day. But when I was eating I was eating A LOT.

So eating to pander to your gut microbiome can pay off in unexpected ways.

Twenty two months later I'm still morbidly obese, with a BMI of 37.1 and weighing 100kg, but I've lost 60kg since March 2021 (around 9 and a half stone in old money) and wear a size 22 (which is a lot easier to find than size 36).

Other side effects are that I sleep better, my blood pressure has gone from being consistently slightly too high to an average (taken morning and evening for 7 days) of 108/63 (which is pretty decent for anyone, never mind an obese diabetic), and my HbA1c results have been in the non-diabetic range since autumn 2021.

Dieting by restricting what I was allowed to eat, used to leave me craving forbidden foods, getting fixated on food and then bingeing on vast quantities of fatty carbs (entire packets of biscuits, family sized bags of crisp). I hate the feeling of being denied nice things, it makes me angry and defiant. Eating to keep my gut bugs healthy OTOH has turned out to be amusing, and enjoyable, so I keep doing it and would be unhappy if circumstances made it impossible.

My friends and family have become accustomed to my joining them for evening festivities as the only person at the table who doesn't have a plate. They were worried at first that they'd feel bad eating in front of me while I was "starving" but they soon forgot once the conversation and laughter starts. To the extent that sooner or later someone usually forgets and either passes me the nibbles, hands me the bread basket, or plonks a plate of desert down in front of me. I just chortle and pass whatever it is along. I tell everyone that if there is something that is really tempting I might snare a portion and have it for lunch the next day, but that hasn't happened yet.

I find it strangely restful knowing that my "eating window has closed" allowing me stop thinking about all the available food. When I'd got used to not eating for 14 hours (which was difficult for the first few days) it felt so good that a few months later I increased it to 16, and then to 18, which feels just right for me so I've not felt the need to change it since.

Once my "eating window opens" at 10am I manage to cram breakfast, lunch, tea and even the occasional snack into the next 6 hours, and then it's actually nice to knock off and have a lovely rest for 18 hours.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/01/2024 21:25

Wow, that's amazing @stealthsquirrelnutkin .
Can I ask what fermented foods you're eating please? At the moment I've got some plain kefir, I've not been to a big supermarket (or town for health food shop type of thing) for a while and that was the only fermented thing my local co-op had.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 17/01/2024 21:34

"my HbA1c results have been in the non-diabetic range since autumn 2021." No they haven't, they were crap in 2021 and excellent in autumn 2022 when I'd been following the Zoe guidelines for 8 months.

Citygirlypop · 17/01/2024 21:57

Hi stealthsquirrel what a fabulous story! Well done, and thank you for taking the time to post. Amazing!
can I ask you how the RA has responded? My MIL is crippled with it. Ouch.
sympathies.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 17/01/2024 23:11

ErrolTheDragon · 17/01/2024 21:25

Wow, that's amazing @stealthsquirrelnutkin .
Can I ask what fermented foods you're eating please? At the moment I've got some plain kefir, I've not been to a big supermarket (or town for health food shop type of thing) for a while and that was the only fermented thing my local co-op had.

The nice people at lovingfoods.co.uk send me 10 jars of assorted kimchi and kraut every 5 weeks. I eat kimchi with fish, eggs and oriental food, and sauerkraut at least once a day. (I like to make a side salad with sauerkraut, mixed with nuts and fruit, chopped dried apricots and walnuts/grated apple and chopped roasted hazelnuts/dried goji berries and pistachio kernels). I also really like the Vadasz Super Beet Kimchi, so I get a jar of that in every now and again.

I have kefir every day, usually a 100ml glass with some kind of fruit to round off my last meal of the day though I also add it to lunchtime fruit & protein smoothies. I get a pot of Yeo Valley organic kefir and take two tablespoons to mix with a litre of long life milk, creating a litre of much cheaper kefir. That usually lasts till my next grocery delivery, but it looks like running out I'll use 2 tablespoons of the home made stuff to create another litre to see me through.

I used to buy kombucha from the supermarket, choosing the kinds that claimed to have millions of live organisms in every bottle, but always wondered if they were still alive, of if I was paying a ridiculous amount for what might only be fizzy pop, and most of them had sweetener in which I wasn't too keen on. Last year I ordered a kombucha scoby off Amazon, and haven't looked back. I also invested in a couple of 4.25 litre glass brewing jars that came with muslin cloths and rubber bands, 6 half litre glass bottles with swing top lids, a small funnel that fits inside the necks of the bottles and 3 kg of organic sugar. I already had plenty of organic black tea bags.

Every ten days I weigh 300g of sugar into the teapot, add 8 tea bags, pour in boiling water and steep the tea for 10 minutes, before removing the bags and stirring until the sugar has dissolved. I allow the tea to cool, then fill some water (filtered or boiled and allowed to cool because chlorine and heat would kill the scoby) and the pot of tea into the empty one of the two brewing jars. Then I wash my hands very carefully before transferring the scoby from the jar where it has been brewing for the past ten days and drop it into the jar with the sweet tea. I use some of the old liquid to top up the new jar, before covering it with the muslin cloth and setting it aside to brew for the next ten days.

Then the freshly brewed kombucha goes into the bottles, and they are left to stand on the kitchen counter for a couple of days, to continue brewing so that they are nice and fizzy. Then they go into the fridge to slow the halt process so they don't explode.

At first I added dried berries or freeze dried fruit powder to the bottles to flavour the kombucha. Till I found out that I actually liked the fizzy sour taste of plain kombucha and stopped bothering. There is never any doubt about the home brewed kombucha being alive, during ten days the scoby grows a new layer and the sweet tea turns into a fizzy amber liquid with a yeasty brewed smell. It fizzes and foams like beer when poured into the bottles, and continues to ferment in the bottles before they go into the fridge.

The stuff is so bursting with life that sometimes a tiny gel disc forms on top of the kombucha in the neck of the bottle, an actual baby scoby. I never got that in the stuff from the supermarket.

The fermented foods I have been eating every day since the end of February 2022 are kombucha, kefir, and either kimchi or sauerkraut or kimchi AND kraut. The four Ks!

There's a bottle of smoked sriracha fermented hot sauce in the fridge, and a pot of live Japanese miso, they don't get used every day, but at least once a week.

I'm a cheese fiend, the smellier the better, love Roquefort, Stilton, and any of the strong vintage cheeses. Sometimes I'll stand my homemade kefir in coffee filter so the whey runs out and leaves cream cheese in the filter. The whey gets used instead of water to make bread.

I get through quite a bit of Greek yogurt, organic cider vinegar, and sourdough bread. And marmite, that's fermented too, though it can't still be alive, not with all that salt surely?

According to the Zoe podcast coffee, tea and chocolate are all fermented foods as well. I drink black coffee before breakfast, then coffee and tea with milk during the day, and (since I don't like proper tea without milk) after 4pm I alternate between green tea, high altitude purple tea from Kenya, and oolong tea, as well as white tea, mint tea and camomile tea (but those last three don't count because they haven't been fermented).

I keep a stash of Lindt 90% a square of it dipped into hot coffee is delicious, I am the kind of pig who sucks the melty bit off and dips it again. I was given a bar of Montezuma's Absolute Black 100% dark chocolate for Christmas, impressive stuff, who knew you could make a bar of chocolate out of 100% cocoa and bugger all else? The first square tasted a bit harsh, and very grown up compared to the smoothness of Lindt's 90% dark chocolate, but it has grown on me, and it is going to be another regular treat.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/01/2024 23:21

Thanks - I've been meaning to get some kimichi and/or saukraut. Never tried kombucha, I guess I should before thinking about breeding scobies. (Had to look up wtf they are!)

But I'm already on the 100% chocolate , hadn't thought about that, tea and coffee. Or propagating kefir - do you do that cold or in a yogurt maker?

PrawnDumplings · 18/01/2024 08:02

Day 4

beans
2 mushrooms
3 avocado
4 coffee
5 butter beans
6 mint
7 parsley
8 capers
9 garlic
10 gherkins
11 olive oil
12 Black pepper
13 lemon
14 Potato
15 red pepper
16 lettuce
17 red onion
18 cucumber
19 satsuma
20 carrot
21 baby sweetcorn
22 pal choi
23 tofu
24 chilli
25 ginger
26 coriander
27 rice
28 garlic
29 sugar snap peas
30 black beans
31cherries
32 cacao
33 kombucha (does that count?)

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waistchallenge · 18/01/2024 08:49

@stealthsquirrelnutkin M&S sell a 100% chocolate bar, too, and I really love it. It's about £2.10 and I often get a coupon for money off with my Sparks app so I find it more affordable for every day consumption.

Aldi also now do organic high cocoa chocolate but unfortunately not as high as 90 or 100% (they always did high cocoa chocolate but the organic is new). The 85% is delicious and often sold out in the Aldi near me.

I would prefer an organic bar of 100% chocolate but they commonly available ones (not expensive online ones) are not organic, sugar free is important to me so I prioritise that over organic.

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