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30 plants a week

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PrawnDumplings · 11/01/2024 07:38

Improving my microbiome and therefore my health and energy is my current aim.

Good gut bacteria helps absorption of nutrients from your food, which supposedly means you have less cravings.

I'm going to list my 30 plants here if anyone wants to join me.

Fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, spices all count 🍆🍑🍌🍊🍎🍓🍍🍒🥑🥒🌱🥔🍋🍉🌽🥙🥦

https://zoe.com/learn/30-plants-per-week?utmsource=googleepmax&utmmedium=&utmmcampaign=20382344316&utmadgroup=&utmmterm=&utmcontent=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6cqk0ujUgwMVnplQBh11wA5tEAAYASAAEgJQ11D_BwE

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SpongeBlobSquareFace · 12/01/2024 05:03

Ooh almonds
Peanuts
Dark chocolate
Cardamom

Love51 · 12/01/2024 08:15

This is awesome. I'm doing really well this week but haven't been counting. Remembering back from Sunday and using the dinner plan
Breakfast most days has a 4 berry mix with porridge with flax, plus chia seeds (7)

Lunch yesterday was mixed beans (6)
Had 3 colours of pepper last night.
Onion, garlic, celery, carrot. Aubergine. Pearl barley. Tomatoes in many forms (do they only count once?)
Corn on the cob. Potatoes. Spinach, mushrooms.
Apple, banana.
16+6+7=29.
I've got butternut squash soup in the freezer I'm getting out for lunch and a big tin of pineapple I opened for my son, plus oranges. Possibly broccoli with tea, so 33 by the end of tomorrow. Not as hard as it seems at first (so long as I avoid the broccoli /peas alternation every night at dinner. They are my kids favourites but they also like sweetcorn and spinach (well one kid likes each of them. The other has to tolerate it!)

waistchallenge · 12/01/2024 08:17

Looking at your lists, a lot of you seem to be eating fruit and vegetables that are totally out of season unless they're frozen, such as cherries, strawberries, peppers and courgettes.

I get a box from Riverford delivered. I'm not suggesting everyone does this but if you look at their UK vegetable boxes you could see what's available and try and include it.

https://www.riverford.co.uk/seasonal-organic-boxes

Bubbles254 · 12/01/2024 08:30

Remember to count coffee everyone....

No idea what I hit a week but yesterday I had 28
Coffee
Walnuts
Chia seeds
Flax seeds
Hemp seeds
Samphire
Chestnuts
Wild rice
Cinnamon
Carrots
Beetroot
Rocket
Spinach
Lettuce
Cabbage
Ginger
Kiwi
Apple
Dark chocolate
Watermelon
Almonds
Peanut butter
Alfalfa sprouts
Radish sprouts
Kale sprouts
Kohlrabi sprouts
Macadamia nuts

ErrolTheDragon · 12/01/2024 08:55

I'm doing Zoë at the moment which counts diversity over a week (also portions a day which is a bit different). Slightly annoyingly it doesn't seem to list anywhere what the plants were. I didn't distinguish between different colours of pepper or onion when I logged food either.
Last week was 37

off the top of my head in the last week or so (some of these might be back into last week) I've had:

Lettuce (various types)
Spinach
Rocket
Beetroot
Artichoke
Tomatoes (fresh and tinned plum)
Red pepper
Yellow pepper
Orange pepper
Aubergine
Red onion
White onion
Leek
Garlic
Butternut squash
Chestnut mushrooms
Chickpeas
Tahini
Pearl barley
Green lentils
Red lentils
Potato
Carrot
Celery
Parsnip
Peas
Tenderstem brocolli
Normal brocolli
Edamame beans
Butter beans
Cannellini beans
Black beans
Walnuts
Almonds
Pecans
Hazelnuts
Pistachios
Sunflower seeds
Pumpkin seeds
Blueberries
Raspberries
Apples
Pears
Satsumas
Kiwis
Lemon
Black olives
Green olives
Oregano
Bay leaf
Thyme
Black pepper
Paprika
Chilli
Miso
Tea (Zoë doesn't count this or coffee now)
Coffee
100% chocolate (Zoë isn't counting dark chocolate now either)

Love51 · 12/01/2024 09:02

My berries are usually frozen, we tend to buy a mix. I always keep some veg in the freezer but if I buy it fresh I try to turn it into something and freeze it before the excess goes off. I recently made a lot of soffrito which did a bolognaise, the pearl barley soup, a mish mash lunch, and a portion for the freezer to become something else. I make a lot of soup in a big vat, and like to freeze it so I can have a few different ones across the week rather than just eating the same one all week. I don't think there's any problem eating frozen fruit and veg is there?

I rarely drink coffee but shall feel virtuous next time I do!

ErrolTheDragon · 12/01/2024 09:03

I don't think there's any problem eating frozen fruit and veg is there?

No, it's fine.

BeastOfBODMAS · 12/01/2024 09:14

@bubbles where are you getting your kale sprouts? They’re my absolute favourite!

Been through my meal plan this week and think I will make 61 + dried herbs & spices. I’m vegan though not counting processed substitutes.
blackberries
tomato
cucumber
lettuce
celery
parsley
satsuma
rice
wheatberries
quinoa
mushroom
spinach
garlic
sweet potato
raisins
dries apricot
dates
chickpeas
sesame
wheat (hm wholemeal bread)
apple
5 bean salad
sweetcorn
tempeh
sugar snaps
onion
spring onion
carrot
ginger
red pepper
baby corn
butter beans
potato
leek
almonds
puy lentils
green lentils
cauliflower
brocolli
pumpkin seeds
sunflower seeds
linseeds
coconut
celeriac
swede
parsnip
yellow split peas
red cabbage
gree. Beans
garden peas
seaweed
bamboo shoots
water chestnuts
pineapple
tofu
sprouts
coffee

ErrolTheDragon · 12/01/2024 09:14

I forgot avocado and raisins.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/01/2024 09:16

I didn't include wheat (wholemeal bread flour) or oat bran either.

EmmaStone · 12/01/2024 09:20

I don't keep track, but a couple of times counted up and was surprised at how easy it is to achieve this goal - if you're somewhat mindful about what you're eating and don't succumb to freezer surprise too often. I definitely feel much healthier and energetic when I eat more mindfully and plan out my food better. I like the Zoe stuff - it makes sense, doesn't suggest you cut anything out (well, maybe UPFs where you can), and is achievable. Oh, and is actually scientifically proven!

allaboardtheskytrain · 12/01/2024 09:28

I've had...

Banana
Chickpeas
Broccoli
Red onion
Spring onion
Coriander
Lentils
Leeks
Celeriac
Plums
Mushrooms
Tomatoes
Pecans
Walnuts
Cauliflower
Green beans
Sprouts
Swede
Cannellini beans
Spinach
Satsuma
Red pepper
Carrots
Blueberries
Nectarine
Red cabbage
Asparagus
Pistachios
Apple
Red grapes
Red chilli

This is since last Friday so I've already hit my 30, doubt I'll have anything different today though.
I'm enjoying various chopped salads for lunch which are great for getting a good variety in.

allaboardtheskytrain · 12/01/2024 09:32

Actually I've forgotten
Potato
Garlic
Ginger
Chia seeds
Sweet potato
....and doesn't dark chocolate also count?

Wanttolikekimchee · 12/01/2024 10:23

Please can I join? I’ve been reading about this and am interested in seeing how we do as a family. Since Sunday:

  1. pears
  2. bananas
  3. satsumas
  4. broccoli
  5. red onion
  6. white onion
  7. red lentils
  8. tomatoes
  9. coriander
  10. parsley
  11. cumin
  12. chilli flakes
  13. cinnamon
  14. tea
  15. coffee
  16. aubergine
  17. chick peas
  18. cherries
  19. avocado
  20. garlic
  21. kidney beans
  22. mint
  23. lemons
  24. oats
  25. dried prunes

Going to make something with courgettes this evening and a very fruity crumble over the weekend. Really happy to see my list because this is just normal cooking and eating for us so no extra effort involved. Great idea for a thread!

Lavenderosemary · 12/01/2024 10:29

I just looked on Google play and searched "30 plants"....and there's an in development beta app for recording your 30 plants a week. I've signed up, and it clearly is very much new and in development - but I'll support it and see where it goes :)

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 12/01/2024 13:46

I started the Zoe project July 2022, and haven’t yet got bored of playing the "wide variety of plants" game.

I’d been vegetarian since the early 1980s and assumed I was already pretty good at eating lots of different plants, by the end of the first week without making any changes I’d eaten 48 plants. I realised that I ate a lot of the same things, and since you can’t list the same plant twice it became increasingly difficult as the week progressed to find completely new plants to increase the numbers. Over time I've come up with a few cunning ways of boosting the weekly total. If I see a new grain or dried pulse that I haven't already got it gets added to the pantry. I used to mostly eat some kind of rice, quinoa, couscous, or spuds as a main carb with meals, but have developed a fondness for pearl barley risotto, buckwheat and millet. The freezer and air fryer are useful, turns out that you can throw some frozen brussel sprouts or frozen okra into the air fryer and ten minutes later you have an extra tasty roast vegetable to go with your meal.

The Zoe people do say that you are not restricted to the “portions” of fruit and veg that count towards your “five a day”, a pinch of cinnamon, and each of the individual herbs in a herb mix count as “plants” for boosting the diversity of your gut microbiome, as well as tea, coffee, and even chocolate. Last time I totted up the total I’d eaten 73 different plants in a single day, which might sound a bit incredible if you are struggling to get through your five a day, but it's dead easy once you get into playing the game.

Hodmedods Meadowblend #2 flour makes a lovely wholemeal bread, a single slice will boost your weekly total with 14 different plants (Spelt, Einkorn, Emmer, Rye, Barley, Naked Oats, Poppy Seeds, Buckwheat, Linseed, Peas, Nettle, Cornflower, Rose Petal, Mallow Flower) seeds that used to be commonly found in grainfields before pesticides became ubiquitous, and which would have been harvested and ground along with the grains. The fact that it tastes delicious is an extra bonus, though if you aren't used to heavy, solid wholemeal bread (think German dark rye texture) you might want to start by mixing it half and half with strong white bread flour made from wheat (another plant towards your total).

My 11 plant breakfast porridge gets mixed in the porringer before bedtime, first water then steel cut oats, 1 tbsp *inulin powder , 2 tbsp of the no added sugar PB&Me peanut butter powder, 15g walnuts, one tbsp of linseeds, a tsp each of sesame, sunflower, poppy, hemp, pumpkin, chia seeds, and ground cinnamon. The basic porridge mix adds 10 plants to my total, as well as 22 g of fibre, the next morning I add frozen berries, or a grated apple and cardamom powder before turning on the hob. At the moment my freezer stash of frozen berries includes cranberries, black cherries, morello cherries, Japanese wineberries, raspberries, blackberries, blackcurrants, redcurrants and blueberries, which is an easy way of adding another 12 plants to the weekly total along with the apple and cardamom.

*The inulin powder is made from chicory root but has been highly processed so I doubt it counts as an actual plant and don't include it in the total. It's an excellent prebiotic, tipping the balance in favour of some of the more beneficial gut bugs. 1tbp of inulin powder contains 10g of water soluble fibre. Humans can't digest it, so you have to start with only tiny amounts and wait patiently until the bacteria that are able to digest if for you have multiplied enough to digest an increased dose. Taking too much too soon, before you've built up a large enough population of inulin chomping gut microbes will result in it fermenting inside your guts, causing painful cramps, wind and explosive dire rear. (If you've ever overdosed on Jerusalem artichokes you'll understand, they too contain loads of inulin, and are a lot easier to scoff in large quantities compared to chicory root. )

Lunch today included 24 different plants. An omelette (olive oil, spinach, mushrooms, onion, garlic, Aleppo pepper flakes, dried leek flakes, chives, thyme, marjoram, rosemary, oregano, savory, basil, tarragon and black pepper.) with a serving of kimchi (pak choi, diakon radish, carrot, garlic, turmeric, ginger, chilli pepper) and a banana for afters.

For tea I’m planning on red lentil pasta, with frozen endame beans and steamed broccoli, with sauce using up the last of the Christmas stilton, served with salad made from fresh watercress mixed with sauerkraut, chopped dried apricots and pecan nuts. Followed by a glass of kefir and a sharon fruit before I start fasting at 4pm.

During the 18 hour fast I drink purple, green, white, oolong, mint and camomile tea in the evenings (6 more plants), and then black coffee while waiting for breakfast at 10am. I don't like black tea unless it has milk in, so I only drink ordinary tea between 10 and 4pm.

I am easily amused, so I haven't got bored yet with widening the variety of plants in my daily diet. Last year I grew kohl rabi in the garden, alongside the usual peas, beans, courgettes, winter squash and beetroot, because you rarely see them in the shops and they are tasty baked in the air fryer.

Love51 · 12/01/2024 14:46

I'm not entirely sure about the rules of the game. I know each colour pepper counts.
What about red quinoa / white quinoa?
Flat mushrooms / closed cap mushrooms / button mushrooms?
Plum Tomatoes / cherry tomatoes?
Coxes orange pippin/ golden delicious / pink lady / granny Smith
Is that all only 3 or is it 9?

KnittedCardi · 12/01/2024 14:52

Does a glass of juice count?

ErrolTheDragon · 12/01/2024 14:57

KnittedCardi · 12/01/2024 14:52

Does a glass of juice count?

Not according to Zoë now.

Lavenderosemary · 12/01/2024 16:01

Stealthsquirrelnutkin...what is this Zoe project? Is it something I've somehow been oblivious to while everyone else has known about it?!

KnittedCardi · 12/01/2024 16:36

Ok. So juice doesn't count, even if bitty or pulped? but then why does tea and coffee count, when that is effectively funky water. There doesn't seem to be consistency.

Another confusion, bear with. So, a couple of slices of Hovis Multi seeded bread. Yes, processed, but...... Has whole wheat, whole barley, and six types of seed. Is that 8 "things". And if not, why not?

ErrolTheDragon · 12/01/2024 16:41

Ok. So juice doesn't count, even if bitty or pulped? but then why does tea and coffee count, when that is effectively funky water. There doesn't seem to be consistency.

Zoe isn't counting those either now.

Bubbles254 · 12/01/2024 16:41

What I am confused about is whether it is optimal to choose a different 30+ each week or if it is ok or to stick with the same ones. I end eating the same meals on rotation a lot so although I get the 30 plus they do look pretty similar each week.

I realise the gut bacteria like diversity but there seem to be some that are adapted to a specific food so if you only eat it a few times will they die off?

If is funny that since I started eating the zoe way I now crave very specific foods all the time e.g roquefort and Bell Peppers and am wondering if I have specific bacteria driving these cravings.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/01/2024 16:46

I doubt anyone reliably knows that level of detail yet.