13,500 is excellent gen, I found for a while pushing to 15,000 made me very hungry so I dropped back - managing it ok at the minute though. Nearly at 9,000 - flipping raging, trying again to get les Mills work for me, I'd love it but the TV I need to use won't let me cast to it - tbf it's not the tv it's my Apple TV and I'm not buying a newer in. I've taken the trial so I'll try a few other things in the 30 days. Itching to feel fit