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Morbidly obese but can't stick to diet.

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LEIGH350 · 06/09/2016 10:43

I weigh 25 stone and am almost 60. I have been trying to diet 40 yrs. Sometimes I have lost a stone or two, then I give up, eat normally again, and regain.

It's obvious that I have a slow metabolism but I think that just means I should eat even less and less until I find an intake that causes weight loss.

Despite being pretty much under attack from society 24/7/365, I still don't seem to be able to make myself stick to any diet. It's like there are two of me: the dieter and the rebel, and the rebel always wins.

I am currently supposed to be on Atkins. I keep to it at every meal, but then, whenever I have the impulse to cheat, I pop out (my street has shops) and grab a family sized bag of crisps, a giant bar of chocolate, or a litre of ice cream.

Afterwards I hate myself, feel a failure, sob in bed at night and make plans to re-start tomorrow and be REALLY good, no cheats THIS TIME. All night every night I play MP3s - hypnosis to make you stick to your diet, or hypnotic gastric band. But the next day I cheat.

When I was calorie counting and logging on MFP I allowed myself a treat size chocolate bar every day. I bought a bag of 12 with the intention of having one a day, the whole lot was eaten in 2 hours, so now I never keep treats in the house.

Why do I cheat? I honestly don't know, even after all these years. In the last ten years I have had three lots of eating disorder counselling, lasting about a year each time, trying to get to the bottom of it. None of this has worked.

I resent being told that I must eat only for fuel, whilst everyone around me is using food for pleasure and entertainment ("hey - let's go for a pizza!" and "break open the bubbly!" "ooh, cream cakes - yum!") Friends recount how they enjoyed the eat-all-you-like buffet they had on holiday or at a local Indian (things I never do) then tell me I have to stop overeating. I seethe when I look into the windows of pubs, cafes, restaurants, and see slim people scoffing cakes, pizzas, hot chocolate, muffins, McD's, fry-up breakfasts; I am cross when I see them buying cakes in Gregg's and eating chips in the street, because if I did that I am labelled "naughty" or told I have an eating disorder.

It's taken me ages to realise that it's not what I eat that is the problem. From observing close up the eating habits of my flatmates and friends who come to stay, I don't eat more than the average person. It's the effect it has on my body: clearly, I am still eating too many treats for my particular slow metabolism.

My GP says "lose weight or die young". I've had the same from everyone in my life for the past 30 years and some of them are getting really pissed off with me because they don't think I am taking their advice.

All my stats like BP, cholesterol, etc are good and I am not diabetic. I take no medication. Ironically, many of the slim people who issue these dire warnings to me about my health are themselves on insulin, statins, BP pills, etc, and some who used years ago to warn me about how I was cutting my life short by being overweight have since died of various illnesses, at ages younger than I am now.

GP has made an appt for me to begin the long series of meetings and consultations that lead to a gastric bypass. First appt is in a week.

I have read about this and it is a barbaric mutilation. I have read about several women who died of starvation afterwards. I don't have any digestive issues. Having a bypass causes chronic problems for the rest of life (reflux, vomiting, diarrhoea, constipation, indigestion, malnutrition). Even if I came out of surgery OK, the thought of never being able to eat a proper meal again for the rest of my life (bypass is irreversible) makes me feel I would rather die young but enjoy my food.

My basic diet is healthy, currently two big bowls of salad a day with mayonnaise and some kind of meat or fish or seafood on top. No sugar, and no wheat. I am also teetotal and I never touch fizzy drinks or sweeteners. But then I ruin it all by having "impulse treats": either sugary (ice cream), wheaty (cake or chocolate biscuits), or a family bag of crisps. I do not keep any of these things in the house - ever. I HAVE to go out and buy them.

Each day I get up with the intention to just have the healthy meals and not to give in to the cheating impulse. Probably 4 days out of 7 I fail.

After 40 years I still cannot work out why I am self-sabotaging my every effort to diet. Especially as I now cannot walk more than 50 metres, get upstairs, and my world has become extremely restricted as I cannot fit into cinema, plane seats etc. Predictably, I am still single. (Yes there are specialist dating sites for men who like obese women but they are fetishists who would sabotage a woman's attempts at dieting.)

I am literally making myself disabled, and un-dateable and I don't know why.

I want to live a normal life, get about and have holidays and a great love life, and yet why oh why isn't even all that proving to be an incentive to stop cheating? I want to live again, but it's like I am not prepared to pay the price of constant deprivation.

I am not sure if this is far too complex an issue for a dieting board made up of people who are just a little bit podgy from baby-weight, but I post in the hope that there is someone else out there who feels the same or is in the same position or has some advice on how to escape from this self-imposed prison.

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BoffinMum · 10/09/2016 23:15

That's fair enough Pacific. But if it's approved and as a last resort to avoid surgery I imagine it is useful to some people.

Dido1 · 11/09/2016 11:52

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Runningupthathill82 · 27/09/2016 10:47

How are you doing, OP?

Dowser · 29/09/2016 10:33

My cousin gorged his way up to 38 stones.
He could put a stone on in a week and take it off the next.

When we met up he was about 23-25 stones and was 6-1 tall.
He was doing sw and Atkins.
On the day he got weighed he'd have a cheat day.
After weigh in he'd go and have a big morrisons breakfast.
We went out to a harvester and he had 12 of the bread buns with his 3 bowls of salad coated in blue cheese sauce. Then his main meal, fish and chips and a big ice cream dessert.

He just couldn't control his portions.
Next day he would be back on Atkins.
When we went for an Indian meal, he had the big banquet and a dozen poppadums to himself.

He'd had a very deprived and poor childhood. I thought it was so sad that with his first wage packet aged 16 he bought a trolley load of food as there was never enough food in the house.. It was nothing for him to eat a tub of ice cream in one sitting

I often wondered if his unhealthy eating habits contributed to him getting bowel cancer. Maybe , maybe not? Who know?
Ironically he was at his slimmest of 18 st when he found out and was on track to reach his goal of 15 st.

Dowser · 29/09/2016 10:41

I should have said on his cheat day, if I left any chips which I always do, he would Hoover them up. He couldn't bear to see any food left on plates.

Leigh I'm glad you are not going for a gastric band. Sounds horrendous that after the weight loss you may have problems digesting food.

I also agree that exercise can be a bit counterproductive. Making you feel hungry so you want to eat more. Although toning up with yoga exercises shouldn't be a problem.
A chap who was bed ridden for three years lost a stack of weight by cutting down his portions.

Good luck. I used to have a two rule where I wouldn't eat more than two. Two sweets. Two scoops of ice cream. Two biscuits.

But then I'm good at portion control. My cousin had to eat every scoop, every biscuit and so forth.

His wife who'd always been slim ballooned to a size 14 but after he died went back down to a ten.

Frestelli · 30/09/2016 23:42

Hi Leigh how are you doing lovely? I read your thread earlier, and I just discovered this nosdiet.com/ , had a bit of a lightbulb moment for my own situation then wondered if it could be of interest to you?

Keep going and good luck! You are worth it xxx

Magpiemagpie · 01/10/2016 07:37

I weigh 25 stone and am almost 60. I have been trying to diet 40 yrs. Sometimes I have lost a stone or two, then I give up, eat normally again, and regain.

It's obvious that I have a slow metabolism but I think that just means I should eat even less and less until I find an intake that causes weight loss.

Despite being pretty much under attack from society 24/7/365, I still don't seem to be able to make myself stick to any diet. It's like there are two of me: the dieter and the rebel, and the rebel always wins.

I am currently supposed to be on Atkins. I keep to it at every meal, but then, whenever I have the impulse to cheat, I pop out (my street has shops) and grab a family sized bag of crisps, a giant bar of chocolate, or a litre of ice cream.

Afterwards I hate myself, feel a failure, sob in bed at night and make plans to re-start tomorrow and be REALLY good, no cheats THIS TIME. All night every night I play MP3s - hypnosis to make you stick to your diet, or hypnotic gastric band. But the next day I cheat.

When I was calorie counting and logging on MFP I allowed myself a treat size chocolate bar every day. I bought a bag of 12 with the intention of having one a day, the whole lot was eaten in 2 hours, so now I never keep treats in the house.

Why do I cheat? I honestly don't know, even after all these years. In the last ten years I have had three lots of eating disorder counselling, lasting about a year each time, trying to get to the bottom of it. None of this has worked.

I resent being told that I must eat only for fuel, whilst everyone around me is using food for pleasure and entertainment ("hey - let's go for a pizza!" and "break open the bubbly!" "ooh, cream cakes - yum!") Friends recount how they enjoyed the eat-all-you-like buffet they had on holiday or at a local Indian (things I never do) then tell me I have to stop overeating. I seethe when I look into the windows of pubs, cafes, restaurants, and see slim people scoffing cakes, pizzas, hot chocolate, muffins, McD's, fry-up breakfasts; I am cross when I see them buying cakes in Gregg's and eating chips in the street, because if I did that I am labelled "naughty" or told I have an eating disorder.

It's taken me ages to realise that it's not what I eat that is the problem. From observing close up the eating habits of my flatmates and friends who come to stay, I don't eat more than the average person. It's the effect it has on my body: clearly, I am still eating too many treats for my particular slow metabolism.

My GP says "lose weight or die young". I've had the same from everyone in my life for the past 30 years and some of them are getting really pissed off with me because they don't think I am taking their advice.

All my stats like BP, cholesterol, etc are good and I am not diabetic. I take no medication. Ironically, many of the slim people who issue these dire warnings to me about my health are themselves on insulin, statins, BP pills, etc, and some who used years ago to warn me about how I was cutting my life short by being overweight have since died of various illnesses, at ages younger than I am now.

GP has made an appt for me to begin the long series of meetings and consultations that lead to a gastric bypass. First appt is in a week.

I have read about this and it is a barbaric mutilation. I have read about several women who died of starvation afterwards. I don't have any digestive issues. Having a bypass causes chronic problems for the rest of life (reflux, vomiting, diarrhoea, constipation, indigestion, malnutrition). Even if I came out of surgery OK, the thought of never being able to eat a proper meal again for the rest of my life (bypass is irreversible) makes me feel I would rather die young but enjoy my food.

Op I had a gastric Sleave ( i am 6 months post op and I eat normal meals ) I go out but I have the kids portion I still think I can eat more than what I can but I cant I still enjoy my food and the odd glass of wine
It's the best thing I have ever done I wasn't massively overweight and I went abroad to have it
Maybe I was lucky but I haven't suffered from any of what you mentioned the odd bit of dumping syndrome but that was in the early weeks
There are some great forums with support for Biatric op just google for them
In the states there are lots of people of your age having it done - their only regret is that they didn't do it earlier

LEIGH350 · 10/10/2016 09:39

Hello to the nice people on this thread, if anyone is still reading :-)

Someone sent me a PM to warn me not to come back here, as some really cruel people were hurling personal attacks at me, and apparently some people reported some really horrendously nasty posts, which the mods removed?

That is why I did not return. I get enough scorn and hatred already, and 30+ year of that has never caused me to lose weight.

To you lovely MNetters who care about women like me and who asked for an update... here goes.

I have totally stopped dieting, restricting my food, avoiding any foods, thinking constantly about food, denying myself certain foods, and weighing myself.

As a result I am no longer starving and bingeing, and no longer stressing and tying myself up in knots of self-hatred, guilt, frustration, etc.

I eat what I fancy, when I fancy it. And that turns out to be a perfectly normal amount of food, in fact probably a bit less than the average person of my age/sex/activity level as I only eat two meals a day and rarely snack as there is nothing in my house to snack on except healthy foods.

For example, yesterday I had a meal at 10am and didn't eat another thing till 8pm when I had soup and toast.

Am finally able to concentrate on other things and get on with my life.

Magpiemagpie I am SO glad your sleeve works for you. But for me there will be no gastric surgery of any kind.

Thanks, again to the nice people who understood and cared.

I'm signing off now and will probably make a new ID as this one is somewhat tainted by the cruel comments designed to hurt my feelings.

OP posts:
LEIGH350 · 10/10/2016 10:03

PS Thanks to

2016Hopeful
MammouthTask
oldlaundbooth
PacificDogwod
Bluegreyskiesyellow
LobsterQuadrille
BoffinMum
TheGoodEnoughWife
Runningupthathill82
Dowser
Frestelli

Hope I didn't forget anyone!

Lastly, "Thecatgotmytongue" ... yes, I happen to actually know Zoe and have read all her books and watched all her videos and read her blogs and adore her tremendously. And yet none of that has had the slightest effect on me so far.

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