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Week 2 - Summer Low Carb Bootcamp - How was week 1 for you?!

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BIWI · 06/05/2013 09:19

Hopefully you've all entered your weight in the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and I hope that everyone managed a successful first week!

It probably wasn't the easiest week to start, what with the bank holiday, but never mind. It's a really good lesson that life and all its temptations will frequently get in the way.

Hope everyone has some sunshine today. It's perfect barbecue weather, and barbecue food is perfect for low carbing. And if anyone wants a good recipe, there's a lovely one for marinated chicken on the recipe thread

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BIWI · 11/05/2013 13:32

As a reminder - Bootcamp Rules

1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, and it doesn?t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.

A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ?if you are hungry, eat!?. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, bacon, pre-prepared burgers, Pepperami etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars. These products contain all manner of artificial ingredients, and often contain sugar. You should always check the carb counts of these foods if you are including them, as some of them can be surprisingly high (e.g. Tesco Chargrilled Burgers - per burger, fried, there are 5.4g carbs)

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body?s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first).

Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food

This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it.

Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Your Weight--Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada

After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later, when we move into Bootcamp Light - it can be too easy to start snacking on these, and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in Bootcamp - don't do it to yourself!

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ?no no?, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended.

Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

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LackaDAISYcal · 11/05/2013 13:32

I have no idea how much I should weigh. When I was 18 I weighed 8st 4lbs. I put on a fair bit of weight pretty quickly after starting University and went up to almost 10stone. I then dietted down to around 9stone and was between 9 and 9.5 stone for years before having DS1. And I thought that I was too heavy then. Prior to having DD I was around 10.5-11stone.

I don't think I'll ever get down into the 8s again and given my starting weight of alnmost 13stone, if I get to under 10stone I will be ecstatic Grin

I'm also 5'2" but even at 8at 4 I was a bit ample of bum and thigh!

barleywood · 11/05/2013 13:35

Chipping in with my two penny worth......hope it doesn't sound smug, it's meant to be encouraging.

Can't remember when I started this WOE, sometime around early summer 2012.

Can't really remember starting weight but I know that at one point I did touch 10 1/2 stone which at 5'3' was too heavy for me.

Briefly!! last week the scales touched 8 1/2 stone. I cannot remember the last time I weighed that. I was around 9 stones when I got married...many moons ago, and initially 9 1/2 was my target weight.

During this time I have had holidays, the Olympic Park, celebrations and many lapses but I just keep getting back on the wagon and minimise the damage.

I love cooking...and eating. I love this WOE.

BIWI · 11/05/2013 13:37

According to the BMI charts, LackaDAISYcal, the weight range for someone who is 5ft 2in is 7 stone 9 lbs - 9 stone 6 lbs. So a pretty big range! I don't there there is a snowball's chance in Hell that I'd ever get down to 7 stone 9!

However, it's also worth bearing in mind that if you're fit/training regularly then you will be carrying more muscle, which weighs more than fat. So take the numbers on the scales with a pinch of salt.

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maidofmuss · 11/05/2013 13:37

Felt virtuous last night on fizzy water with just one voddy-soda - though tough when everyone else was glugging wine. Same problem tonight at family do - also sounds like is going to be a carb fest with pizza, breads etc. Hope I don't drink too much and have a what the hell moment....
Yesterday was
B. Smoked salmon slices wrapped round cream cheese (v filling)
L. More salmon - cold with iceberg lettuce and cucumber (from dep store caff)
D sea bream stuffed with herby butter, cauli mash and sautéed courgette

Today so far:
B scrambled eggs - fast as dashing out(really really missed fave breakfast of yog, honey, fruit and handful nutty muesli tho today)
L feta with beetroot and parsley (bit carby but not feeling as upbeat today)
D. Help!
Good luck all over weekend. Will think of BIWI's big stick to keep ms going til weigh in!

Ruprekt · 11/05/2013 13:38

The quiche was fabulous!

Will make another tomorrow and work out the carbs.

Had bacon, avocado, 2 poached eggs and fried mushrooms at 12 today. Need to drink some water.

QueenofDreams · 11/05/2013 13:42

Well, I'm 5'2 as well, and my starting weight over a year ago was 13 stone 4! BMI of 31 so into the obese range :(. I'm aiming for near to 9st. If I go much below that I start looking too skinny.

I'm quite happy I at least weigh less than DP now! I'll probably keep it bootcamp style for a week after everyone else goes light, as I've only joined this week. I'm not really struggling except for last night's crisp craving moment!

toomuchtoask · 11/05/2013 13:44

Back on track for the past few days. Sore stomach today but I think that's because I'm due on my period.

Today I've had:
B - 2 egg omelate.
L - chicken + stir fry veg.

Tea will be veggie soup. My hunger seems to be more under control but I have to say I still want chocolate and sweets! Trying to resist as I have 2 months 2 weeks to lose 2 stone (doable?)

BIWI · 11/05/2013 13:46

Can I just say that I took almost a year to lose 2 stones, which is quite slow. But during that time, I had two weekends away with DH, a work trip to Athens (which involved entertaining/nights out with clients), a fortnight's holiday in Barbados, where I seemed to consume nothing but carbohydrate and rum. Every Friday we have an Indian takeaway. Although I don't eat rice, I do occasionally snaffle a bit of DH's naan bread. We go out for dinner every Sunday, so it's not always possible to control the carb intake. I (mostly) avoided alcohol during the week, but not always. If I was going out for dinner with friends, I still drank wine.

In other words, I lost weight whilst still enjoying my life. I have never felt deprived.

I'm not saying this to give you all carte blanche to fall into the biscuit tin whilst swigging from the wine bottle, but just to illustrate how this can very easily become a WOE. This is the way I will eat for the rest of my life.

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BIWI · 11/05/2013 13:48

.... and because I am very clearly ketogenically-adapted now (i.e. my body is used to burning fat rather than carbs), even if I do fall off the wagon occasionally, it doesn't seem to impact on my weight. Well, that's if the lapses are occasional and not sustained, like over Christmas Blush!

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Ruprekt · 11/05/2013 13:51

I agree BIWI.....this is the way I will eat forever!

I am so less obsessed with my weight now than I have ever been. My weightloss has stalled but I am not too worried as I know what to do to kickstart it again. Eating out has not been a problem as many restaurants will change potatoes for spinach or salad...........I had given up alcohol any way so am not bothered about wine.

BIWI · 11/05/2013 13:58

toomuchtoask:

1-2lbs a week is good, long-term, sustainable weight loss. Therefore:

10 weeks x 1lb a week = 10lbs loss
10 weeks x 2lbs a week = 22lbs loss

This is really what you should be expecting for/hoping for. Two stones is probably a lot to ask for. And looking at the spreadsheet, I see that you actually gained a pound in the first week of Bootcamp - so expecting to lose 28lbs is probably too ambitious.

Can I ask - are you following Bootcamp rules to the letter?

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ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp · 11/05/2013 14:00

Morning all, hope everyone is well, just checking in but I see biwi is on top of everything, waving the stick, writing in bold and repeating the rules so I think I'll go hide Grin

I did a 10k walk last night for cancer research uk so treated myself to 3 eggs instead of 2 this morning, rock n roll baby!

No change on scales so far this week but my tummy is definitely de-bloating again yippee. Gless is right, measure as well as weigh or even just try on fav jeans/look in mirror, this woe changes your shape as well as weight.

DH looked at all my lovely Lidl goodies in the fridge this morning and said "uh oh are you putting us back on that low carb plan thingy again?" I replied sweetly "we've been back on it for 2 weeks already dear," mwah ha ha Wink

newlark · 11/05/2013 14:05

Just had a lovely lunch - mushroom, broccoli and feta frittata with green salad, avocado and coleslaw - yum :)

I started at 12 st 7 which is my heaviest ever (apart from when pregnant when I went up to 14 something!). When I left Uni I was about 9 st 7 and a size 10-12 (I'm 5'8''). I don't think that is realistic now but I would love to be 10 st 7 which would give me a BMI of about 22.3 and get me into a size 12 so that is what I'm aiming for.

BIWI · 11/05/2013 14:08

Grin Toomuch!

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toomuchtoask · 11/05/2013 14:17

''This is really what you should be expecting for/hoping for. Two stones is probably a lot to ask for. And looking at the spreadsheet, I see that you actually gained a pound in the first week of Bootcamp - so expecting to lose 28lbs is probably too ambitious.

Can I ask - are you following Bootcamp rules to the letter?''

BIWI I am 5 stone overweight so I guess I might average slightly more than 1-2 a week. I lost the plot by the end of the first week (hence the 1lb gain). I am doing it properly now. If I don't lose the 2 stone it's not the end of the world but I have a wedding to attend in early August and I'd love to be 2 stone lighter.

BIWI · 11/05/2013 14:19

You should certainly be able to lose reasonably quickly, but don't count on it happening.

Weeks 3, 4 and sometimes 5 are notorious for slow weight loss, and sometimes no loss at all, so you should be prepared for that. And also be prepared for the fact that weight loss isn't linear - there will be some weeks when nothing happens or even a gain in weight.

I don't want to be the voice of doom though Grin

If you stick with it, you will see significant weight loss by early August.

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toomuchtoask · 11/05/2013 14:24

Thanks BIWI. It's good to be prepared and know which weeks might be a bit slower than others. Is there a reason why weeks 3-5 are slower usually?

Yama · 11/05/2013 14:24

Quick tip for everyone:

Two Aldi German sausages and two eggs is too much fr breakfast.

I am still full up and can't face lunch.

middleagedspread · 11/05/2013 14:25

I'm not standing on the scales until monday (after my obsession with them last week)but my jeans are definitely loser.
The best thing for me is that I'm not hungry on the WOE so don't succumb to binging on biscuits at 4pm.
Just had a fillet of smoked salmon, avocado, boiled egg & green leaves with lots of mayo.
Spicy pork burgers (from the recipe thread) with a greek salad tonight.

NewStartNewStory · 11/05/2013 14:28

I must admit as much as I am enjoying everything atm, I can't wait to jump back on track. There is only so much birthday food one person can eat before they start to feel ill. Big salad for lunch tomo I think!

Taking inspiration and trying to stick to some key points Water and 3 meals. Because even if I do bootcamp if i dont stick to the letter on those I don't shifty weight. Right now I will settle for a corner to sleep in. Too much partying for someone so old. Blush

halfthesize · 11/05/2013 14:28

Afternoon all, been to ds1 footie match and just had lovely homemade burgers for lunch Smile

Not sure what to do for dinner tonight and out for lunch tomorrow, which will prob be steak and veg.

kiwigirl42 · 11/05/2013 14:29

thank you for all your input BIWI much appreciated

I had a nespresso with full fat milk very early this morning (didn't sleep last night) and went back to bed. have just had a NZ lamb steak (3 for £4 in Tescos) smeared with harissa, fried in coconut oil on a bed of buttered spinach.

found it really hard to get motivated to cook this as I'm really not hungry. Have got over the first week feeling grotty though thank goodness!

halfthesize · 11/05/2013 14:30

Sounds like the partying was fun NewStart Wink

I need to drink more water, been slack today Hmm

halfthesize · 11/05/2013 14:31

Glad you are feeling better kiwi

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