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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

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BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

OP posts:
NotAgainAndAgain · 17/10/2012 10:12

Grin *WIBI", I am being good an no other diversions so far.
OK, I'll stick it out for a bit longer. Thanks for the stick Wink

cathyandclaire · 17/10/2012 10:17

Get well soon Willie
This time of year is miserable for illnesses...how long til Summer?
I'm perkier today and so most of my diarrhoea (sorry, sorry TMI I know Blush )weight has gone back on...so still bootcamping along to get back to target.
B: Yoghurt and raspberries
L: leek and bacon mini frittatas ( they're starting to give me funny looks at teh supermarket with the amount of eggs I buy!)
S: Probs leftover roasted Cauliflower cheese ( nice...but I needed to roast the cauli for longer at the beginning to get rid of more liquid)

  • shed loads of coffee with lacto free milk, it's the only thing keeping me warm until DH lets me put the heating on!!!
Doshusallie · 17/10/2012 10:25

Sorry you are poorly Willie. Get well soon.

The Zumba/Pilates mix up was really funny, I finally found the pilates class and mentioned I'd be ok to have missed the warm up as I'd inadvertently done the Zumba warm up, and a couple of the people on the floor with their legs in the air laughed and fell out of their pose! Grin

B: 2 boiled eggs, DTWLFM, berrocca and a pint of water.

Jacaqueen · 17/10/2012 10:28

Willie you poor thing. AB,s always leave me feeling rubbish. Maybe get yourself some acidophilus probiotic capsules because the AB's will leave you depleted.

I am having a rubbish week

We are away for half term but spending it fitting a kitchen. The boys are not happy because they are bored. DH is not happy as he refuses to admit the job is more difficult than he thought. I am not happy as I am trying to keep everyone else happy and I have no kitchen.

No idea what my weight is like as I didn't bring the scales. There has been wine and nuts and lots of cheese. So far have not given into oatcakes, fudge doughnuts or fish and chips, but we are only half way through the week.

Going to visit poncy farm shop later so will get some overpriced low carb goodies and will try hard to ignore lovely homemade scones, meringues, breads etc etc etc.

Boobz · 17/10/2012 10:35

Hey all. I've got a quick question. I have just broken out with a nasty coldsore. I usually only get these when I'm not getting enough sleep (got them a lot during the first 6 months of each baby I've had) but I'm actually sleeping fine at the moment, leading me to thinking it's the LCing that's had an effect? Could it be due to not getting enough vitamins from things like fruit which has lowered my immune system and thus given me this?

Or totally unrelated? Anyone else had one in the last 2 weeks?

cathyandclaire · 17/10/2012 10:49

I get cold-sores regularly when run down/ or if I have a party/something to look forward to (sod's law) but have been totally fine on this...

TBH reckon I'm probably eating better than usual though, I used lurch from toast to scone to sandwich to cake with just a few green sprigs garnishing the sides. Definitely eat more salad and veg now.

Hope it gets better soon, I always feel like the whole world is focussed on my lip when I get them Sad

AuntieMaggie · 17/10/2012 10:51

Seems quite a lot of us have an issue with meetings and work getting in the way. I normally bring my own lunch but its hard when travelling. In Nov I have 2 weeks away with work and I have visions of eating steak and salad every night! As it is Nov should be cold enough in the boot for back up cheese snacks!

Bfast:yogurt and bacon
Lunch: feta olives toms cucumber
Dinner:beef stew... might try braised cabbage to go with it!

AuntieMaggie · 17/10/2012 10:52

Boobz I'm eating loads of different veg and salad so feel better than I have in a long time. Try a multivit?

halfthesize · 17/10/2012 11:00

vnmum It does appear that by dropping the dairy is helping us ones who have been doing this a for a while. I am also not missing the cheese one bitSmile

willie hope you feel better soon. x

BigBroomstickBIWI · 17/10/2012 11:04

Boobz - I can't find anything to link cold sores with diet; it's a viral condition. This is interesting

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Poppy1234 · 17/10/2012 11:35

Morning, what a horrific morning, never have I been so grateful for my Merrel Wakefield.

Still trying to ignore all talk of dropping dairy :)

B: Greek yoghurt (small bit of feta and ham)
L: Curried cauliflower and coconut soup with feta and ham
D: Chicken curry with cauliflower rice and roast green beans

MsRinky · 17/10/2012 12:14

Morning all. Still keeping on keeping on here.

Had wild boar and smoked bacon burgers for dinner last night, delicious. Lunch at home today, so have some purple sprouting broccoli roasting which I'm going to have a with some cubes of melty taleggio and some ribbons of parma ham.

caramelwaffle · 17/10/2012 12:46

Good afternoon.

Breakfast - boiled egg with butter
Lunch - tuna mayonnaise wrapped in iceberg lettuce.
Later - ?

EwanHoozami · 17/10/2012 12:49

I love this WOE. It has, however made me feel a bit sad at the things I used to put my body (and mind) through in order to lose weight.

That horrible, knawing acidy feeling at midday when all you've had to eat that morning was half a grapefruit? Skipping meals despite a rumbling tum thus putting my body into starvation mode (what a dumbass)? Taking a widely available high-street diet 'supplement' that made my hair fall out? Shock

Pass me the belly pork and cauliflower cheese Grin

Thanks BIWI

caramelwaffle · 17/10/2012 12:56

Your hair fell out? Shock

I agree about a totally different style of eating, and about putting your body into starvation mode: I find it very easy not to eat at all - for days at times, however messing with your metabolism is clearly not the way to go for long term health; I have just had to force myself to take a break and sit down to eat a nice healthy meal. It is a psychological shift as well as a physical one.

AuntieMaggie · 17/10/2012 13:02

Same here ewan. All those diets I did that made me feel shite and didn't work!

Thank you so much BIWI you have really helped me - if I could kiss you I would!

Doshusallie · 17/10/2012 13:31

Lunch - Protein salad counter at work:

boiled egg, tuna, mayo, roasted veg (courgette, aubergine, celeriac), lettuce leaves, cucumber, olives, bacon.

cathyandclaire · 17/10/2012 13:53

Was pondering over the dairy/ stalling issue ( anything to avoid work!! )
Is it just a problem because it's possible to eat vast numbers of calories in cream/ cheese? Or is there something more complex involved?

I have eaten dairy throughout but as I'm quite small I have been relatively careful about amounts and have stopped after a moderate portion of celeriac dauph for eg, when I could easily wolf down the whole dish! I think I'm still an ingrained calorie-counter deep down!

WillieWaggledagger · 17/10/2012 14:15

cathy i'm not sure but i do know that with dairy there is the risk that carbs can add up as there is lactose in milk. not so much with hard cheeses as the whey left behind should take most of it, but with softer/cream cheese and cream there is a certain amount of carbs there

however, i think that that isn't necessarily the reason why some avoid dairy - there is possibly which is outlined in one of the books regularly mentioned on here, and someone much more well-read and knowledgeable than me will be able to explain this!

WillieWaggledagger · 17/10/2012 14:17

you're probably right to not overdo the dairy, but not necessarily for portion control reasons!

i understand atkins restricts the amount of cheese allowed, and the bootcamp rules do say not to go overboard with cheese and cream

butter doesn't count, of course (though i'm sure that american sweet butter would!)

Jins · 17/10/2012 14:25

As a coeliac I also have issues with lactose intolerance. It's common

I think many of us low carbers, the ones that have tried and failed with other diets, have issues with gluten and probably lactose as well.

Doshusallie · 17/10/2012 14:44

I am not missing cheese either, really thought I would.

Viperidae · 17/10/2012 15:18

GGRRR! Just typed a huge post and lost it!

I am a bit panicky today because this morning I stood on my scales and appear to have gone up 1lb (I knew I should stick to once a week weighing!)
I have a vast amount of weight to lose, think about 7stone, and am concerned that it is proving so hard already when some of you have weight just dropping off.

So far today I have had:
B: LC sausage, poached egg, mushrooms fried in butter
L: Egg in a pot www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/eggs_in_pots_93154.pdf with leftover celeriac chips, handful of mixed seeds (2.4g carbs)
Lots of water

Going to make lamb curry for tea with cauliflower rice.

NewStartSameStory · 17/10/2012 15:51

Vip - slower weight loss is always said to be more sustainable. IME I am finding this is true. I also stood on the scales this morning. According to them i have put yet more weight back on. However, I am hoping this is water retention around injury sites as my trousers are getting loser/looser start to fall off a bit. Don't be disheartened. Hang in there and keep going. So many have had success it would be a shame to give up so quickly.