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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

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BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

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BigBroomstickBIWI · 18/10/2012 16:36

What's happened Doshusallie?

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MrsHerculePoirot · 18/10/2012 18:47

dosh sounds horrid whatever it is. Hope you are OK...

Viperidae · 18/10/2012 18:57

Dosh hope you are ok

mumoflovelies and Shagmund Well done on the weight loss. Doesn't this beat SW and WW where you are having to clap for someone losing half a pound, all the time thinking, I could go and wee half a pound I'm sure! This WOE is much nicer and more effective - you are the proof!

BigBroomstickBIWI · 18/10/2012 19:39

Thanks to Shagmund

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Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 19:41

aw thanks guys.

I lost a really big deal that I thought was a sure thing. That was my first mistake clearly. I thought it was going to save me from potentially being fired, which i think is a real possibility for me and my colleagues in the not too distant future. I have a great track record, but that counts for nought in these days of "you are only as good as your next deal" and have had a really long losing streak, and it's really started to knock my confidence. The model through which we have to sell is fundamentally flawed, but we are stuck with it - and it is November - and I have a $3.7 million target. Sad

But I have had two large g&ts, and have avoided falling into the crisps, and have moved into the "fuckit" phase.

DH is making a chicken curry. Bless him he has been so sweet today. I managed not to wince when he said "you'll like this, I'm going to put loads of peas in it".....

Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 19:43

soz, not quite November is it.......I mean IT IS OCTOBER!!! Like that makes a difference.........

tartiflette · 18/10/2012 20:23

Poor dosh, that really sucks. Well done for staying on the wagon through it all.

Hmm I have a three hr train journey each way to and from a training course tomorrow. Any tips? Will be travelling over breakfast and dinner times which is awkward.

Today:
B - two boiled eggs, mayo, coffee with cream
L - veg soup, cheese, coffee with cream
D - minute steak, braised celery, roasted cauliflower and courgettes, coffee with cream
1.5l water and counting...

tempertemper · 18/10/2012 21:03

Sorry about your shitter of a day, dosh.
Hope the g&ts work their magic.

I had an ok day. Bit of carb creep: but as someone with a mega sweet tooth I see having a small amount of berries as better than drowning myself in chocolate.

B total yoghurt, flax seed, tablespoon blueberries.
L olives, feta, sunblush toms, chorizo and small cup mushroom soup.
D gluten free sausages, cauli mash, Brussels with bacon and mushrooms
Snacks: handful (fairly big) of macademias,
coffee and cream x 2.

Scales stuck again so no berries or nuts tomorrow! Am a compulsive cheater whatever plan I do!

Viperidae · 18/10/2012 21:05

I have had another hectic day at work with yet another lunchtime meeting with a choice of sandwiches, crisps, cakes and fruit juices so, although I have not succumbed to nasties, I have not eaten well.

B: Baked egg with creme fraiche and salmon caviar (the Rachel Khoo recipe again)
L: Bits of roast chicken
Snack: Slice of ham
T: Oven roasted veg topped with mozarella, left over curried lamb, chicken, coleslaw and pea shoots
Lots of water, although apparently I should be drinking about 4.5L per day and I am nowhere near that even though I drink lots.

I am off to my personal trainer tomorrow, what should I have for breakfast after bacon and egg left me weak and shaky last week? I could have yoghurt but find it very sour and have to use copious amounts of Splenda, is that ok? I have berries in or stewed rhubarb with cinnamon (also Splenda'd). What do you think?

halfthesize · 18/10/2012 21:06

Eve all

Sorry to hear about your crap day Dosh hope things improve x

motherofluvlies hope you all feel better soon, god knows how you manage with triplets, I find it hard enough with 3 of different agesWink

Brunch was omelette
Dinner was gammon, egg & sweede chips

off to watch Hunted with a glass of waterSmile really wish it was wine x

BigBroomstickBIWI · 18/10/2012 21:13

Viper - when I go to the gym, I usually just have yoghurt with vanilla. But if you can only eat it with Splenda, then I would really counsel against that. You really need to stop looking to sweeten things, as the whole point of Bootcamp is to break the addiction to sweet things/sugar.

If I have time, I may have a couple of boiled eggs.

Sometimes I go without having eaten anything. There is some evidence that exercise is more effective if you go in a fasted state.

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BigBroomstickBIWI · 18/10/2012 21:19

Whoops - sorry - didn't finish my post! When you went, how far beforehand had you eaten?

How fit are you, and what kind of exercise were you doing? When did you start feeling shaky?

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Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 21:21

D: chicken curry with green beans, avoided most of the sauce and peas.

3 g&ts Blush

4 brazil nuts

captainmummy · 18/10/2012 21:27

Oh wow - tried braised cabbage in cream to night - who knew cabbage could be so dreamy? I love white cabbage anyway but this was melty, creamy, slightly crunchy... just lovely. Ate with some cooked ham and leeks in cream.

Square of 85% choc and a coffee wityh cream.

Lots of dairy today.

Viperidae · 18/10/2012 21:33

I know I need to break the sweetness thing and, to a point, I am doing. I now have the occasional Diet Coke rather than drinking loads and no longer regularly crave sweet things but there is a limit to how sour I can cope with!

In answer to your questions, I ate about 9am and began exercising about 10. I am extremely unfit, am asthmatic, very overweight and hadn't exercised for years and years until getting this trainer about 3 months ago. We do things like squats, lunges, etc with weights, ab exercises and short spells on the treadmill and rower. He targets a different area each week like upper body, lower body, abs, etc.

I didn't feel horrendously shaky. more weak and wobbly from about 1/4 hr in.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 18/10/2012 21:45

My family lunch was cancelled due to illness so temptation avoided. Had to grab lunch on the go as we came back from visit to ill relative, so my day was

B 2 poached eggs, wilted spinach, slice of ham
L 100g turkey slices, plain yoghurt, v small piece cheddar
D chicken stir fry (chicken, garlic, chilli, mushrooms, leek, baby sweet corn, green beans, bean sprouts, splash of fish sauce and soy sauce) it could have done with a bit more colour but tasted pretty good.

9pm snack yoghurt. I have a relative staying with me at the moment who every night, about 9pm trots off and makes hot white buttered toast (Mothers Pride for any scots on the thread) and a milky drink and sits next to me on the sofa happily munching and crunching and "nom nom" ing away beside me. In order to stop me from stabbing the bastard stealing the toast, I have to go and hum like a loony Buddhist in the kitchen and I succumbed to extra yoghurt tonight as I had to eat something!!

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 18/10/2012 21:46

Well done shagmund!!

Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 21:46

Bloody good for you viper. You go girl!!!! Feel very proud of you for reasons I am struggling to understand!!!!

AuntieMaggie · 18/10/2012 22:00

tartiflette take cheese, cold meat, boiled eggs, veg sticks, cherry toms, yogurt and nuts (if you're on light) in your bag and drink plenty of water! Try to fill up at lunchtime. Take a salad or buy one from the station?

I have the same problem as I travel by train for work. Though it isn't much better in the car to be honest!

I find a tea or coffee helps fill me up too... i know milk is carby but its better than the alternative junk on the train.

Today was good... Bacon and yogurt for bfast, leftover stew and cabbage for lunch and that butter chicken recipe for dinner... wasn't sure about that tbh I think because it looked creamier than it is and when I've had butter chicken in the indian it was sweeter...

BigBroomstickBIWI · 18/10/2012 22:09

Viper - best thing to do (if you haven't already) is to talk to your trainer about it. Does he/she know that you're low carbing? If not, make sure that you tell them that this is your preferred way of eating.

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tartiflette · 18/10/2012 22:26

Thanks AuntM I will do all of that and agree coffee is a good ploy. Am so paranoid about letting myself get hungry when I'm away from home as it can be v hard to access bootcamp type stuff on the go. Hopefully there'll be an M&S food at the station when I get there and I can get a pot of egg mayonnaise sandwich filler and eat that surreptitiously while passers by back away in disgust and horror Grin

Impressed terrified by all this personal trainer chat.

Caught sight of myself in mirror before and I think I'm still probably a good stone away from my ideal. Urgh. I thought I would be happy at 9.7 but I sense not. And even that's a good few lb away.

Viperidae · 18/10/2012 22:50

Thanks all, I have told trainer and he agrees it is a good WOE but thinks I would be better with the bacon and eggs after the workout and something with a bit of energy before but all his suggestions were low GI rather than low carb (wholemeal toast with peanut butter, etc)

He is really pleased as I am beginning to see some improvements, small ones but still, woohoo!

Thanks Dosh, I feel irrationally proud of me too every time I go!!

WillieWaggledagger · 19/10/2012 07:43

sorry to hear about your day yesterday dosh, hope today is better for you. it must be very frustrating being forced to sell in a way that you know could be improved.

so relieved it's friday

captainmummy · 19/10/2012 08:13

I'm gladys friday too Willie - I've got a big birthday bash tonight, at which will be loads of wine and 'canapes'. Unless it's smoked salmon or similar i'm going to try to avoid.

cathyandclaire · 19/10/2012 08:14

Hope today's a better day Dosh
toomuch just reading about your house-guest-from-hell's evening snacks made me drool Blush very well done for holding out!

I am definitely retaining fluid, my rings which were falling off feel tight and my weight is up another 0.5lb. Think I must need very low levels of carbs to stay stable.

However, I feel great, I'm not hungry or craving crap so not panicking.

I think as i try and move to bootcamp light I may experiment with a bit of 5:2 fasting, so that i don't have to be too strict on quantities of berries/dairy/wine/dark choc (I won't go on about IF on here though or that'll get confusing).

Does that sound OK? Hoping I can find a way to stay around this weight that I can keep on for ever.