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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

492 replies

BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

OP posts:
BigBroomstickBIWI · 18/10/2012 08:32

Grin @ boobz. It's 'do as I say not do as I do' here, didn't you realise?!

Unfortunately, Ewan, there's one particular kind that I really like. So I have to stop buying them. They come in packs of 5, which is truly fatal. Anyway, the box is empty now and I shall refrain from replacing it.

And shall have a penitent day today.

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Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 08:55

On a very busy train to London and wishing I hadn't worn my winter coat after all....

B - 2 boiled eggs, berocca, DTWLFM, and a pint of water.

Pkt of pork scratchings in bag for emergencies but hoping to find a pod or an eat for lunch. Failing that it will be something extortionate from m&s at Waterloo which I will have to expense....Grin

GoldenOrangeWhippoorwhill · 18/10/2012 08:56

Poppy, those crackers from I Breathe, I'm Hungry are really nice. They do need to be rolled really, really thin though. I do it between two sheets of those non stick silicone (?) baking sheets. I've made them quite a few times to take when we are eating with friends who are planning cheese and biscuits for 'dessert'. They always seem to get gobbled down by all the non low carbers.

Cheddar and black pepper works really well too and I've done a version with poppy and seseme seeds that turned out great.

captainmummy · 18/10/2012 09:08

I'd love to try those crackers, but I don't have a food processor. How can I mill the flaxseeds? I don;t even have a mortar and pestle...

Shagmundfreud · 18/10/2012 09:31

Wanted to add, I really think it takes the body quite a few weeks to adjust to this WOE.

My appetite and my ability to not snack even when I'm hungry has changed radically over the past few weeks. I can be hungry but still not feel desperate to eat - weak and shaky like I did before. I think that's what's enabled me to stick to it so far. I know that Pig to Twig (which I love) is very keen that you get organised and have loads of food around which is low carb, so you don't crack and eat something sugary or carby in a moment of weakness, but I've found that not to be a problem at all, now my blood sugars are under control.

I suspect that a fairly high proportion of women my age (46) have problems with blood sugar. I had gd in pregnancy and know that I don't metabolise carbohydrates well these days. It would explain how I went the whole way from adolescence to my late 30's fluctuating between size 10 and 12 and then suddenly went up to a 16 in the space of a year in my early 40's.

Even if my weight loss slows down or stops, I never want to go back to eating sugar again.

butterfliesinmytummy · 18/10/2012 09:43

Yesterday a friend who I hadn't seen for 3 weeks said "wow you've lost weight" [preen]

Down 3.8kg and loving it Grin

GoldenOrangeWhippoorwhill · 18/10/2012 10:17

Captainmummy, Holland and Barrett sell ready ground flax seed. I've not tried it because I've got a stupidly huge food processor but my MIL does and she says it's fine.

MsRinky · 18/10/2012 10:19

I buy my flaxseeds already milled.

tempertemper · 18/10/2012 10:26

Just tried tea pigs licquorice and peppermint tea. Yum. May be able to do a cup of this after a meal as I think it may help the need for "sweet".
Scales stayed the same this am after my hungry hungry day yest.
Loving this woe.

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 18/10/2012 11:06

I find that when I go on this thread and have to scroll down the whole of BIWIs rules in the original OP before I get to the new comments, it's like a constant reminder!! biwi next time can you please do it as a link so I can ignore? Wink

B 2 poached eggs on a slice of ham with buttered wilted spinach. Yum.

Supposed to be going out for a family lunch later, will try to make good LC choices. I'll be driving so sparkling water for me.

motherofluvlies · 18/10/2012 11:49

O my goodness so ill with triplets home from school with this drafted D&v v bug.cant contemplate food but worrying about when I do fancy a nibble....no toast....what instead?

Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 12:13

this can't be right - I am eating some Wrigley's Extra sugar free mints - per 100g it says 98.2g of carbs!! Please tell me I am reading this wrong as I have eaten the whole packet!!!

Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 12:14

packet is 28g

Jins · 18/10/2012 12:18

The carbs come from sorbitol or xylitol which don't 'count' as they are indigestable. Some people get an insulin response to these types of sweeteners

You'll probably spend some time on the toilet and be rather windy though

Poppy1234 · 18/10/2012 12:29

Aarrgghh, our nanny cheerfully told me this morning that she added a bit of cornflour to the curry last night as the sauce was a bit thin. I ate loads BIWI please tell me I haven't derailed myself totally.

Very excited about the crackers, I didn't roll them thinly enough as I took the lazy girl option of rolling the dough into a sausage and chilling, might try and freeze the dough so I can slice it as thinly as possible. Alternatively, I might just have to roll them out.

B: Greek yoghurt with almond essence and teaspoon of peanut butter
L: Cauliflower and coconut soup with feta, flaxseed crackers with chicken liver pate
D: Asian baked salmon, sauteed swede, green beans and courgette

Jins · 18/10/2012 12:36

Don't panic.

Cornflour is 1 for 1. She probably used about 25g to thicken a sauce, maybe less. It was presumably eaten by more than one person?

cathyandclaire · 18/10/2012 12:42

Another 0.75lb on today, so 1.5lb up since Tuesday Sad

I've been sticking pretty well to bootcamp light with just a few berries added and am definitely still in ketosis.

I must say I felt way more energetic at the gym today so will stick with this until Monday and hope it all settles down....Have spent the morning cooking, cleaning and diligently writing googling glycogen storage ( obsessive moi?!?...In my defence I have a medical background and a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing) and I'm wondering whether I'm topping up my muscle glycogen stores...think I'd rather be lighter though!!!!
B: bacon and mushroom
L: leek and cheese frittata
strawberries
D: Bolognese with leftover cauli cheese
Gallons of water!

Poppy1234 · 18/10/2012 13:15

Phew, thanks so much Jins. The flaxseed crackers were incredible even thickly rolled, super delicious with chicken liver pate. Can't beat a bit of crunch!

BigBroomstickBIWI · 18/10/2012 13:49

Supposed to be working, shouldn't be here ...

TooMuch if you bookmark the thread, whenever you open it, it will take you to the last place you were on it!

(You have to be using MN in 'new' though, to get bookmarks)

cathy as well as the berries, you may need to keep an eye on dairy, if you're putting weight on like that

OP posts:
Doshusallie · 18/10/2012 15:31

Lunch was prawns with dipping sauce, pkt of chicken and a bag of salad leaves. Ate the emergency pork scratchings as well.

Big kick in the guts at work this afternoon. Am very pissed off and demoralised. Sad

WillieWaggledagger · 18/10/2012 15:48

I have sorted the spreadsheet for this week, and all those who haven't weighed in for two weeks have been archived - please let me know if you would like to be reinstated.

the highest weekly loss was mumofluvlies with 5lb
the highest total loss since the start of bootcamp is shagmundfreud with 17lb
the highest total %age loss (since start of bootcamp) is also shagmundfreud with 11.04%

well done everyone!

WillieWaggledagger · 18/10/2012 15:51

also, so far we have lost a total of 281.3 lb / 127.6 kg

NigellasGhost · 18/10/2012 16:15

I am gradually gradually losing, but the most important thing is my clothes! I can get back into a pair of Laura Ashley trousers which were my "goal trousers" !!

NewStartSameStory · 18/10/2012 16:23

Wow that's a lot of combined loss.

Food not so great but not too bad. Have at least thought ahead today and had a meal sized snack prior to heading out to ds' after school activity that takes all sodding evening. he loves it which is what matters most.

B: Scrambled egg, alpro yoghurt
Slept through lunch but grabbed a later lunchish of: a coupld of low carb chicken sausages and a alpro yoghurt
Early tea/huge snack: Salad.

Won't be back til 10pm so will need to do something then for a snack/tea. Its a weird kinda day when tea time is either at 4pm or at 10pm.

WineGless · 18/10/2012 16:23

Bloss what's up chuck? Don't you go falling Into chocolate or wine

Vent on here instead