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Week 3 Little Black Dress Low Carb Bootcamp - or Bootcamp Light!

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BigBroomstickBIWI · 15/10/2012 08:59

Morning all!

Hopefully everyone has had a good couple of strict weeks, and the scales have rewarded you.

[[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmNIskihgXotdFVPcF9zWUhIal9BbTl5SnlTM3BlWVE#gid=0 Here is the link to the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness. Enter your weight for today if you haven't already.

We're now ready to move on to Bootcamp Light - if you wish. If you're happy to stay on Bootcamp, then that's fine. Or, perhaps you want to do the hybrid of Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend?

Whatever, here are the rules of Bootcamp Light:

1. Eat when you?re hungry - if you?re not hungry, don?t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you?re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don?t force yourself to eat. But don?t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps to keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet and has too many carbs), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat. However, drinking this amount of water can affect your electrolyte balance; you need to make sure that you get plenty of sodium and potassium. There is less need to worry about restricting salt if you?re eating a low carb diet. Good sources of potassium are salmon and avocado. You could also consider supplements if you have an issue with this.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
"Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
"Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:
Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

Good luck for the forthcoming week!

OP posts:
tempertemper · 17/10/2012 20:48

Hello all. Feeling stuffed! Stuck to the rules today but walked miles and ate quite a bit as I was hungry. Anyone else notice that portions are hard to judge? I find I don't realise how full I am until half an hour after eating - without the carbs, the meals have leas volume. I seem to eat til I am sated, then twenty minutes later I realise I probably needed only half of what I actually ate!
B: scrambled eggs and smoked salmon.
L: homemade mushroom soup with dollop soured cream. Leftover mackerel pate with celery.
D: fish/seafood stew. Serves 2 with bread, without bread I ate it all! Greedy mare.
Snacks: 2.5 slices jarlsberg cheese. Cup of total yoghurt.

I'm drinking lots if camomile tea. Sooo thirsty so fairly sure I an in ketosis as usually thirsty when I am. On the plus side, scales showed another 2lbs off this am despite my mega greed!

AuntieMaggie · 17/10/2012 20:55

doshusallie what pork scratchings did you have?

wine I'm going to try butter chicken tomorrow night.

Doshusallie · 17/10/2012 21:17

Auntie Maggie I like Mr Porkys....I know you're not keen are you?

Temper I am also a greedy mare, and eat huge portions. One of the main reasons I like this woe is that I can do that.

Hands up who wants to help me kidnap Poppy's nanny? We can share her, she can cook all my meals for a week and then you can have a turn......

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 17/10/2012 21:24

B leftover LC "cottage pie" from last night. I assume people will think i am odd but it was yum!
L spicy Thai chicken and veg soup
D sausages and roasted veg with chilli flakes and cumin (onion, still using up my massive bag of red onions, but shallots are on this weeks shopping list!! Leeks, Brussel sprouts, green and red pepper) I really like Brussel sprouts when they are roasted!! So good!

Am def up for kidnapping a currymaking wonder nanny!! Put me on the list, I'll go find my MN balaclava!

WineGless · 17/10/2012 21:25

Bloss I'm in

toomuchmonthatendofthemoney · 17/10/2012 21:26

Forgot to say had a little snack of babybel and small pieces of ham that Ds didn't finish. The dog is loving the fact he gets the crusts from Ds toast now, not me.

WineGless · 17/10/2012 21:29

We need to to keep her on a central location OR have sharesesy on her. Three days each? And has to cook portions for freezer whilst not there?

Doshusallie · 17/10/2012 21:40

Sounds fair. Poppy can have her back at weekends. Alternate weekends.

JessicaWakefield · 17/10/2012 21:42

We went out for dinner last night for DSIS's birthday. Beautiful restaurant and very special for the family to all be together. Three or four sips of champagne and the same of red wine. Was throwing back the water though! Said no to bread, gave away the potatoes that came with my main and didn't even look at the pudding menu, but...then an enormous just stunning chocolate birthday cake appeared - and everyone was given a slice at which point I decided to be mindful - to indulge a little and enjoy the treat of a really happy evening out in an exceptional restaurant. So I ate lots some of the icing (and some of DH's) and then had three petits fours with coffee and that was that. No feeling I'd blown it and therefore coming home and eating chocolate. That for me is a big turn around. One thing I also find as a big deterrent (aside from the fear of the scales the next day) is the thought of having what I call a carb hangover. The stomach pains, the sluggishness, the sugar cravings, the headache and fatigue all seem less and less worth the fleeting carb pleasure. So after a very enjoyable detour last night (which because I seem to have avoided the blow out and therefore no carb hangover today) I was amazed that I had stayed the same this morning. The body is a mysterious thing!

NewStartSameStory · 17/10/2012 21:58

Child is finally asleep, it has been a long evening. Not searched out comfort food or even snacked which is an achievement for me. night finally

WineGless · 17/10/2012 22:01

Night NSSS, tomorrow is another day. You've done well today better than my carbfest at lunch

Jessica- happy birthday to dsis. Glad you had a a lovely meal. This Woe is not forgiving but you have chosen wisely there!

MrsHerculePoirot · 17/10/2012 22:17

Hello! I had a bad day today had a pain au chocolate for no apparent reason, well actually cos I had no breakfast and then got hungry. I didn't have time for lunch and had steak and salad for tea so I am pleased I didn't let it ruin my whole day and have toast for tea!!!

I also played netball so that hopefully helped.

JessicaWakefield · 17/10/2012 22:17

Thanks Wine! I think a big part of my change of mindset is the amazing support on this thread! Thanks

BigBroomstickBIWI · 17/10/2012 22:21

Good night, NewStart - hope you sleep well!

Willie - Gary Taubes writes about it, I think. Will see if I can find a reference for you ...

Jessica - glad you enjoyed your evening. It sounds lovely.

Am drinking wine Confused. DH is going away tomorrow for the weekend, so is in holiday mood, and somehow I appear to have joined in. Will have to be extra good when he's away!

Today:

B - hard boiled egg before the gym
snack - Atkins Daybreak bar (I know Blush)
L - leftover spicy beef stew with celeriac
D - stirfried chicken and veg, with beansprouts and shirataki noodles

OP posts:
RGPargy · 17/10/2012 22:21
Wink
BigBroomstickBIWI · 17/10/2012 22:23

This is an interesting piece!

OP posts:
BigBroomstickBIWI · 17/10/2012 22:23

.... so basically all of you who were watching the Great British Bake Off have probably put on half a stone!

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GoldenOrangeWhippoorwhill · 17/10/2012 22:37

Had a lot of fun this morning meeting up with the lovely vnmum for coffee. Brew It was so nice to chat to someone who didn't think I was bonkers. Well, not bonkers about what I eat anyway. Grin We had a good old natter about pretty much everything and the best part of two hours went by in a flash.

She was really nice, every bit as knowlegeable as she seems on here and I can testify that she is going to rock that slinky dress at the Xmas Ball. This WOE is clearly working well for her.

WineGless · 17/10/2012 22:48

That's fab that we have had our first low carb meet up albeit with just two! One of my guys at work oils low carbing so it's good to talk to him but generally I don't discuss my WOE.

Viperidae · 17/10/2012 22:50

There is a theory that just as watching food porn can stimulate insulin release, watching or thinking about exercise can apparently raise the metabolic rate. Maybe I should watch more Fitness Channel!

(I had planned to exercise today but then my friend called for a cup of tea instead.)

Boobz · 18/10/2012 05:12

Who hits Biwi with a stick when she falls of the wagon? Wink

WillieWaggledagger · 18/10/2012 06:11

Golly.

Thank goodness gbbo is over. Or maybe it would be ok if you watched fasted Grin

But I wonder whether we have an initial insulin response anyway when we're cooking/ about to eat food anyway even if it's low carb?

TheHumancatapult · 18/10/2012 07:08

No stick but lol I can park on toes

My top tip is keep eye on your favourite foods
. Spotted my crispsbreads changed recipe increasing carbs in them ( they reckon weigh more but don't taste more I can tell you that

EwanHoozami · 18/10/2012 08:04

BIWI I bought one of those Atkins bars once. It reminded me of that episode of Friends where Monica has to cook with 'Mockolate' Grin very strange texture and aftertaste!

I can report that the slow-cooked gammon knuckle tasted slightly better than it smelled. That is the highest praise I can bestow on it.

yesterday...

B: Lidl yog and a few raspberries (first fruit for ages, will watch out for effects..)
L: leftover cauliflower cheese with gammon
D: coconut chicken and spinach curry w/ celeriac chips

PS TOM arrived, a week and a half late thank fuck

captainmummy · 18/10/2012 08:23

Good day yesterday, coffee and cream for breakfast, lunch was coleslaw with 2 slices roast beef and 1 bowl watercress/spinach soup and dinner 2 cream-cheese pancakes rolled around the last of the spinach from the garden cooked in butter, topped with mushrooms in cream sauce. Dessert - soya yog with a splob for cocnut cream.

Then spent the evening watching Grand Designs with a tablespoon-or-so of crunchy peanut butter!

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