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A space to talk openly about weight loss journeys and challenges. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

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Throwing new fuel on the Bootcamp Camp Fire

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BIWI · 07/09/2012 21:14

Here is the new, shiny thread. Only three weeks or so to go until we swing into really strict mode!

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HumphreyCobbler · 11/09/2012 12:17

Yes! And my empirical finding is that I feel great, look great and find this WOE easy to stick to.

fufulina · 11/09/2012 12:25

Morning losers. Much much science to digest this morning. I found that link, tell, far too much for my pregnancy/maternity leave brain, so am going to read it properly later. I never did get on with biology tbh, I did chemistry!

Back on it, and down to 75.1 kg, so within spitting distance of a healthy BMI. Also basking in the glow of a full fridge, full of deliciousness, that will still see me losing weight! There are aisles at Sainsburys I never even go to anymore! But, am suddenly finding it be expensive. Don't know why not before.

Quick question, the pork belly pieces at Sainsburys, are they they ones everyone roasts, not the strips, the hunk of belly?

Ilovemyteddy · 11/09/2012 13:09

Hi all

Just back from hols where I was REALLY bad and put on 5lbs Sad But the holiday was fab Smile

Can anyone post a link to the spreadsheet please? Thank you.

Will catch up with the thread later.

NigellasGuest · 11/09/2012 13:20

there's someone saying Briffa is a gimmick, on the Mumsnet Academy thread about the Briffa seminar thingy. Sad

also on Radio5 today they were discussing about the obesity thing... no mention of low-fat being counterproductive. Yes it was acknowledged it's more than "eat less exercise more" but total ignorance about what sort of food should be consumed.

teaandthorazine · 11/09/2012 13:26

Haven't read the thread but how on earth is 'eat fresh unprocessed food, avoid over-consumption of sugars' a gimmick, fgs? You want a low-carb gimmick? Try Dukan, with his 'sign up to my website and pay your monthly subscription and I will tell you your true weight' shenanigans as you fill your kitchen with fat-free Muller yoghurts and [boak] oatbran.

Sorry, feeling a little ranty today!

WillieWaggledagger · 11/09/2012 13:28

yes fufu, those are the ones i get, the slab of belly

agree about supermarket aisles (though i do still go down some of them for dp, like the bread aisle). i have quite a sweet tooth so i probably get an insulin response just walking down the cake aisle!

BIWI · 11/09/2012 13:36

fufu - I always buy belly pork in the piece. It roasts really well, and is beautifully tender when it's cooked.

Welcome back, Ilovemyteddy. glad you had a good holiday! Just get back on the wagon asap and those excess pounds will quickly disappear.

Grin @ tea and your rantiness! I have joined in ...

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roofergirl · 11/09/2012 13:38

Foo foo I've found with pork belly slices that there doesn't seem TI be any fatty skin on so you don't get the lovely crackling. I usually buy a belly of pork in the butcher

halfthesize · 11/09/2012 13:48

Hi All

Teddy link to spread sheet docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRbpLOgvgpTdFNqbHVfbGdVeTBidnVhNTdVcURNdXc#gid=0 glad you had a good holidayGrin

I went to IKEA today so had brunch there bacon, omelette and mushrooms, it was quite nice and soooo cheap!!

Thegoddessblossom · 11/09/2012 14:07

Made cake, it looks amazing, did succumb to a piece of dark chocolate. but won't be eating the cake.

Also made the moussaka but think I should have beaten the sauce more as it looks very liquid - won't add it to the dish until i'm ready to cook it later.

Breakfast was greek yog.

Lunch was the dark choc, 3 pieces of salami, 3 mouthfuls of salad and a handful of brazils.

Off to the gym now.

vnmum · 11/09/2012 14:26

I have ploughed through that link from BIWI. I think he failed to address the fact that it seems to be when processed food (invariably most carbohydrate rich/low fat food is processed including pasta) is introduced to populations that eat higher carb that weight gain ensues. Also those populations cited where mainly eating fresh vegetables albeit starchy ones but still within the non processed remit. Also those populations are generally active all day long unlike modern western society populations.

There was also no mention of wheat, which I personally think is the main culprit in obesity, except for one of the populations studied gained weight when white flour was introduced.

From anecdotal evidence of our own experiences I think it can be shown that this woe is more sustainable. I know that many of us have tried the low fat/cal counting way to lose weight and may havebeen successful in the weight loss but the maintenance is hard and most often unsustainable. With this woe it seems that maintenance is alot easier.

There is also alot more to low carb woe that was not discussed in that blog. Although he mentions satiety levels, we can anecdotally say that in our experiences the satiety level of this woe is much higher than high carb eating. Many people on this thread have said how thier hunger is reduced and need to snack reduced compared to when they were eating carbs.

Ketosis and it's effect on appetite was also not discussed in the post.

Most people who advocate low carb will also say that while low carb/high fat works if you then increase your carbs and still eat high fat, it is a recipe for rapid weight gain. This point was also not discussed in the point, as far as I could make out the post was focussed on high carb intake not the combination of high carb high fat. Where the graphs are concerned, there was some comment on how weight increased when fat intake increased when carb levels were kept the same (high at that) which is the same as what I mentioned earlier about high fat and high carb doesn't mix.

There will always be people who think this woe is a fad, either because they do not understand the science behind it or because they themselves have been successful on low cal/low fat plans and therefore do not like something that goes so far against their norm. I also beleive that some of it is jealousy/envy that we seem to be eating all this delicious forbidden foods and losing weight whereas on their woe, which they believe wholeheartedly, if they were to eat the same they would gain (but then they would be eating high carb, high fat)

I personally still love this woe, I have personal experience of how it makes me feel and also how adopting a similar woe for my DC has improved their mood and behaviour. I much prefer to eat tasty non processed food than processed tasteless crap and also to not find it hard work. I am not fighting hunger all the time. I also believe in the Paleo concept which is very similar if not the same as Briffa's approach. We evolved to be hunter gatherers and when man started farming grains and consuming more carbs he became shorter and had a smaller brain.

There is also other research that shows there are links between high insulin levels and many western diseases, something else that was not covered in the blog post.

I agree there are many things involved in obesity, leptin being one of them and sometimes by trying to find answers for everything it can actually just confuse us, but we just need to look at the success on these threads to show that this woe does work and also the success stories on mark's daily apple for instance.

I hope all that made sense Smile

cardoon · 11/09/2012 15:32

ewanhoozami mentioned a recipe with tofu/peanut butter/chilli.....anyone know where to find it? Will never get DH to eat tofu unless it's heavily disguised Smile

cardoon · 11/09/2012 15:40

Found the link on the old thread....looks tasty!

TellMeLater · 11/09/2012 16:40

I understood from the link I posted earlier is that weight loss may stall due to the hormone asp esp if you don't have much to lose and consequently you may need to be a bit more mindful of fat consumption - am I right?

Food today after a 5km run this morning:

B Cream cheese pancakes with yoghurt and blackberries
L Leftover moussaka with broccoli, cherry toms and cucumber
D Lamb and green bean stew, cooked in my brand new shiny slow cooker...the smell is torture. Served with broccoli, dcs will have barley cous cous.

Snack - total yoghurt
Drinks - half bottle of red wine.

teaandthorazine · 11/09/2012 17:04

Must try those cream cheese pancakes...

Sausages, cauli cheese and broccoli tonight I think. Have just had a corner of white buttered toast (ds is having boiled eggs and soldiers) - the crumbs got caught in my throat and I've spent the last 10 mins hacking like a 60-a-dayer! See, processed carbs really don't agree with me Grin.

(and yes, I know I shouldn't be a hypocrite and give ds crappy White bread but it's all we have. Since I've stopped eating it completely, bread choices have been taken out of my hands...)

halfthesize · 11/09/2012 19:03

Interesting reading BIWI and very well said vnmum

I'm off out again tonight and it is Chinese take away, not good, as friend has pre ordered for 8 of us, just a mix and match!! Fingers crossed for crispy duckSmile

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 11/09/2012 20:17

Dinner was keema (mince curry) from the IPD Cookbook. Not the best of her recipes - bit watery. It was nice, don't get me wrong, but not amazing blow your head off with wonderfulness. I think if I was doing it again I would simmer it for longer than the 20 mins suggested in the recipe, and put fresh chilli in as well as chilli powder.

Sleepy now - wish DD would learn to sleep through the night!

BIWI · 11/09/2012 20:22

I made a lovely (if I say so myself) celeriac boulangere this evening. Easily enough for 6 people, and only 25g carbs for the whole lot! Will post on the recipe thread.

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MrsHerculePoirot · 11/09/2012 20:34

Right, I have been terrible since returning from holiday. I have thought about why and how this happens and I think that I start by just thinking I'm having a teeny tiny bit of something carby and it won't matter, then thinking 'oh well I've had some so I might as well have something else' and then ending up stuffing my face. I ended up with a chinese take away last night and felt bloated and horrible this morning and had to wear my 'fat' trousers. However, today has been a new day. I have upped my liquid intake and managed to eat much better - I haven't had anything carby but I haven't had enough veg with dinner, but I feel so much better for it already. My mood swings are much worse when on the carbs and I have less energy. I too haven't read through all the science and links - I know that for my own body less carbs = happier/healthier me and for me, for now at least, that is the most important thing.

Sorry that is a bit me, me, me - but felt so sorry for myself this morning and am feeling much better now!

BIWI · 11/09/2012 20:39

Just shows how addictive carbs are, MrsHP!

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Thegoddessblossom · 11/09/2012 21:05

Had some more Brazils and a chunk of cheese for snack. 2 x g&ts.

The IPD moussaka was a massive hit. The recipe did say 500g of mince and I used 750, but can't believe they say it will feed two. Dh and had massive portions each, served with broccolli and there is easily another massive portion left.

Loving TML having half a bottle of red before 4.30pm. Nice to see someone else drinking as much as I do! Grin. (adds "it's not big or clever" disclaimer)

So - dairy for every meal again - yoghurt for brekkie, cheese for snack, gazillions of cheese and cream in moussaka. Really hard to find instant, on the go food straight out of the fridge that isn't processed meat or dairy....

LoopingLizards · 11/09/2012 21:31

B:cheese omelette
L: Ham salad
D: pizza chicken
3l water

MrsH I am exactly the same. If I stray a little bit, I just think sod it and keep going. I do at least realise now that the sluggish, irritable creature I become is as a result of too much carby crap.
Back on day 2 of this I'm already much happier and feel so much better. Long may it last!

Viperidae · 11/09/2012 21:46

I posted a huge post telling you about my lovely thrown together tea (scallops, prawns, courgette ribbons, lemon juice, garlic, cream and parsley) but I think Mumsnet ate it.

Just had some M&S nuts and seed mix which was very nice and quite low carb (I think)

hurricanewyn · 11/09/2012 22:26

Can anyone give me some advice?

I have a couple of night shifts coming up & usually I'd get through them with two cans of red bull, but I don't want to do this now I'm on this WOE. I can't drink the full sugar version obviously, but don't want to drink the sugar free version because of what I've heard about diet drinks setting off an insulin response. i've also heard that caffeine can slow down weight loss while low carbing.

So can anyone suggest something to help me through a night shift?

TellMeLater · 11/09/2012 22:58

Hurricane the insulin triggered response is not proven, google it - mind you fizzy drinks are the stuff of the devil for many other reasons....but I wouldn't avoid them for the insulin trigger alone.

Goddess hic! The ipd moussaka is lovely, I did the same as you, adding more meat, dcs had some but we have an aubergine refuser - agreed to use potatoes for her portion only next time.

Another fast day for me tomorrow - have gone for a ready meal - chicken madras from Waitrose as I can't be arsed with all the counting, we'll serve it with cauliflower rice.

I found a vanilla powder today in Waitrose, much nicer than the extract in a yoghurt, no alcohol or sugar and gives it that lovely speckly look to the yoghurt - I liked it, a lot!