Throwing new fuel on the Bootcamp Camp Fire

[BIWI]

Here is the new, shiny thread. Only three weeks or so to go until we swing into really strict mode!

Back on track today
B: coffee
L: Roast Pork, mange tout
D: Beef Kofte & Salad
About 3l of water
Exercise: running to loo all day.

5lbs up after summer so about 10lbs to go now in total. Still, the last time I gave up smoking I gained 2 stone so I'd say I'm not doing too badly. I will be trawling the recipe thread to get me back into cooking proper LC meals in evening.

Lol @ Deirdre and her stuffed marrow, looked terrible!

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Evening all, would LOVE to go on the Briffa course. Just in from wrk so need to speak to Dh
Scales on way down -2lbs off since Friday thank goodness
B cheese pepper and mushroom omlette
L just handful brazil nuts
D cauliflower cheese

Back up at 5.45 so off to bed will catch up properly tomorrow

Looks yum

Oh do come, Sharon! It would be lovely to meet you! (And anyone else from Bootcamp!)

Thegoddess - that cake looks beautiful. Are you sure you're going to be able to resist?!

I love the idea of the John Briffa course but as I am up North and not on a main rail line I would have to travel down the day before and stay somewhere which would bump the cost right up and I am a scaredy cat .

I have a busy week coming up with a night out, a work lunch, a wedding (full reception and evening) and then going on holiday! I am just going to try to hold it together as best I can this week, enjoy my holiday without going too overboard (I hope!) then start again when I come back I think.

Had bacon and egg for breakfast, courgette soup (just cooked in stock then blitzed with a bit of cream) for lunch with pate on cucumber and leftover lamb, celeriac dauphinoise and broccoli followed by strawberries for tea.

Still not satisfied and needing to explore more with regards to excess dietary fat, I came across this on cross fit. Which seems to suggest that insulin is not the only hormone responsible for fat storage.

#1: Protein does a decent job of raising insulin and it takes very little insulin to affect fat cell metabolism.

#2: Dietary fat affects fat cell metabolism with NO INCREASE in insulin. At least two studies, using oral fat loading found a decrease in HSL and an activation of fat storage despite no increase in insulin. The apparent culprit, a little bastard called acylation stimulation protein (ASP) which is activated by the presence of chylomicrons (basically packaged triglycerides that are found in the bloodstream after the meal). ASP increases glucose uptake into the fat cell, increases insulin release from the pancreas and has been described as 'the most potent stimulator of triglyceride storage' in the fat cells.

So I did a bit more googling and came across an article which seems to explain the piece of the puzzle that was missing from all the standard low carb literature.

Essentially it's that pesky hormone ASP and it's ability to assist in the storage of excess dietary fat in the absence of insulin - which, when you think about it would have been crucial for our survival - had our bodies been literally starving, the body should not readily give up valuable fat energy because of the absence of insulin, there must be another mechanism for storage - from a survival point of view it makes no sense.

So in steps the hormone ASP which will allow the body to store dietary fat, even when insulin levels are low but it's not all bad, it's not as powerful as insulin and not as long lasting and may not affect your weight (but it might be causing you to stall) but that all depends on how much you produce. Alarmingly - atheletes seem to produce loads after intense exercise, suggesting you should hold off eating for a while after a work out, till your levels return to normal.

Anyway for those who are interested - this is a good article, that goes some way to explaining the theory.

sparkofreason.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/swift-kick-in-asp.html

Morning Losers Of Bootcamp

Have been a bit off-message this weekend - icecream in the park, potato salad at BBQ, 10-hour study day yesterday that necessitated chocolate (no, honestly it did ).

But back in the groove today. Big low-carb shop arriving later, awaiting protein powder delivery also. And have a job interview! Just got email. Woohoo! Need to do horrible powerpoint presentation for it though - aaaargh. Ah well, I may not get the job but am chuffed to be asked for interview.

Will catch up properly on thread later. Am off for a small 'ohgodIshouldjuststayinmyannoyingjob' wibble...

fab tea!

what an interesting article tellmelater. and it would back up the idea that you should try to avoid snacking at least, if not eat more infrequently, if you want to spend more time in the VLDL phase once you're past the chylomicrons phase

also, the other thing stallers could try would be to lower protein as if you're eating few carbs this would be the major source of glucose for the glycerol for the triglyceride formation (if I have understood the article correctly)

morning all. If I could sort childcare I would have loved to meet some of you at the briffa course but I don't think I would be able to convince DH to spend that much money on a course that isn't work related. Because I am SAHM at the moment his wage pays for everything and we are certainly not loaded. I am planning on going back to work now DD is in school and will probably need to do some CPD before I get a job or soon after as I have been out of my field for 8 years and DH is willing to pay for those courses as they benefit me work wise but not sure he would want to spend £99 on a course that isn't work related.

I am stiff from the gym yesterday and feeling quite tired. Was thinking of going for a run this morning but feel like I want to go back to bed

That's really interesting, TellMeLater - will have a proper read of that later.

Willie - presumably it also reinforces the idea that we should eat fat rather than protein, or at least fattier rather than leaner meat?

I promise I will engage brain later! But a bit knackered from the gym at the moment. HIIT on the cross trainer is much harder work than on the bike ...

yes absolutely (I was thinking in the context of stalling, where if you're not able/willing to reduce carbs further then protein might be the next thing to look at)

i do struggle with fatty cuts though as I'm simply not that keen on the texture of animal fat, so I make sure i cook with butter. also I add things like mushrooms to the pan which soak up the fat that's rendered down

Oh - good idea re mushrooms!

Some cuts of meat, like beef shin, pork belly, the fat renders right down when you cook them (especially is they are long, slow cooked) so there shouldn't be a textural issue?

oh yes, they're fine, and i'll definitely be doing more of them now summer's over. i need to buy a slow cooker i think - does anyone have any recommendations?

One unexpected result of losing weight - doing HIIT on the cross trainer, a sudden loud, slapping noise. My sports bra (sweaty and soggy at this point ) slapping as my chest rose and fell. Sudden realisation I need to put it on the next hook!

Was a bit embarrassing, hoping that my 24 yo trainer couldn't hear ...

That article is really interesting TellMe thank you. the point about the Inuits is quite telling.

It's also made me want to get stuck into some tasty bone marrow

DH is quite into nose-to-tail eating, so maybe I can endear low-carb to him that way.

Yesterday..
B: spinach omelette
L: roast turkey and paté on celery
D: soy, lime and five-spice salmon on loads of buttery cabbage

Great article btw TML.

The more I read about the mechanisms of the human metabolism the more astonished I am that anyone can think it's as simple as 'calories in, calories out'. And as for so-called experts - dieticians, 'nutritionists', doctors etc who spout the low-fat, low-calorie, high-carb 'eat less, move more' bollocks... well all I can say is that, in my job, if I gave such poor advice, unsupported (even directly contradicted) by increasing amounts of evidence I should expect to have my practice closely investigated!

i think i remember brian cox saying that rocket science is easy compared to trying to understand how the human body works

and of course we are all different, so as they say on another low carb board i visit 'your mileage may vary'

i do feel much more 'in tune' with my body on this woe, though it does still confound me from time to time!

Anyone care to comment on this?

Don't have a chance to read the whole thing atm BIWI but I know that Guyenet has challenged Taubes quite frequently - I think there's some youtube stuff too. Tbh I'm willing to accept that Taubes isn't the be-all and end-all of low-carb, especially since we've just been talking about what a complex organism the human body is - I bet there's more to discover. But he's still my hero (and a stone-cold FOX too...)

On another note - brunch today of roast chicken wrapped in parma ham with cucumber and dipped in mayo. Followed by Tesco Greek style yog which simply wasn't creamy enough so I added a splosh of double cream - oh how I love this WOE! The Tesco stuff is much, much cheaper than Total though, and only 0.1g of carb higher per 100g. It's got a more 'yoghurty' taste and texture for those who find Total a bit full-on...

biwi it's interesting but i haven't read taubes so can't really comment on the criticisms. i have read briffa, but other than blogs linked on here and explanations from learned posters i haven't gone into the science in a really in-depth way

from my point of view, the low carb woe has a positive influence on my own eating behaviour (no snacking, no cravings, no binging, no processed food), which i'm sure is related to blood sugars, reduced insulin, leptin etc etc. this has meant i have lost weight without feeling deprived, and that now i can maintain that weight loss in a positive, healthy way. you can't talk about the physiology without the psychology, so as far as i'm concerned this is a much more sustainable woe than the high carb/low fat woe (as briffa states i think)

I have to confess that I find the theory behind this WOE incredibly confusing and I can't process the information

Basically I am of the fat = good, too many carbs = bad camp.

Thanks for understanding it all for me