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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
smokinaces · 15/07/2012 09:44

Ok, so dumb question - what is chicken bouillion - is it just chicken stock in water?!

BIWI · 15/07/2012 09:50

It's chicken stock. When Atkins recommends it, I don't know if he meant that people would make their own or simply make it up from a stock cube.

BettySuarez · 15/07/2012 10:01

Thanks for the link BIWI, it makes interesting reading.

I love the fact that the brands of salt they recommend comes from 'ancient sea beds' (like this is a good thing Grin)

No idea why I have suffered so much, I did take on board the advice about salt eventually and consciously tried to increase my intake but perhaps it was a little too late but then.

This all coincided with a two week stall in weight loss which was a but dispiriting.

Never mind though - I am going to be back with you all hopefully next week and will be upping the salt.

I will be calorie counting until then as don't want to undo all the good work on Bootcamp - can't get my head around how many carbs in shredded wheat though Sad

I might also get a home BP monitor too to keep an eye on things.

Jacaqueen · 15/07/2012 10:15

I am back from 2 weeks in rainy Cornwall.

I had a tentative step on the scales and have put on 3lbs. I class this as a great result. I do feel a bit bloated so hopefully a few days of no booze and bootcamp level carbs will sort that out. I travelled home in the same pair of jeans that I went in. Normally I have to resort to my larger clothes for the return journey, but not this year.

I am definately up for the two week BBC. This couldn't come at a better time for me, just like the original thread started after my Easter hoilday, this will stop me getting complacent.

I am still in serene holiday mode so will not comment on what went on yesterday.

SpringGoddess · 15/07/2012 10:27

I've always been a big fan of Maldon sea salt - it tastes fantastic and I use it in my food all the time.

ZZZenAgain · 15/07/2012 10:27

fit into my target shorts this morning so :) chuffed about that. They are a snug fit though so I think a 3rd week should do it. Finding this thread very helpful. Don't think I would have discovered low carb for myself if Betty hadn't directed me here from another thread.

Have ordered the Briffa book to see what to do longer term when the weight is off but a way to go yet. THink I'll be having a piece of fruit a day because I like it and some more carbs but not as much as before this thread.

vnmum · 15/07/2012 10:53

Well it all seems to have kicked off on here while I was out partying yesterday Confused. BIWI I think the personal attack was unwarranted, these threads have been a great support to longer term low carbers aswell as newbies. I have always posted on additional low carb threads aswell as the bootcamp ones because some other threads discuss other variations of low carb, so that will not change for me regardless of who the op is (why does that matter anyway? [Hmm])

Well, there was a lot of vodka involved last night, some with diet coke and some with fresh orange (it takes the edge off the following morning). With regards to food it wasn't as nice as I expected. I didn't visit the pic n mix stall and only had some chicken in coconut, kangaroo, crocodile, bit of sweet potato cooked with mint, small spoonfull of some rice and a scone with clotted cream. I did have a muffin and millionaires shortbread before bed though Blush. DH has just gone to get some bacon, egg and mushroom, back on the wagon. He is also going to get some electrolyte stuff too as after reading the link about low potassium I think we are both suffering, especially after our d and v last week.

jan before the drama you asked about cheat days. I find then ok depending on what I eat. Too much stodgy carbs and I feel unwell. I would usually skip breakfast the day after a cheat and then only eat a small salad/veg with my evening meal, the rest of the day is fat and meat. I also go for a heavy workout including HIIT sprints either the day after the cheat or 2 days after depending on when the gym is open. This Is to get the glycogen out of my muscles quicker so I get back into ketosis ASAP

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 15/07/2012 11:18

for those who want to help sodium/potassium levels I have read about Bovril being good for you. My DH has a hot bovril now and again when he feels a bit lightheaded and so do I. Had forgotten about that.

Well... confession time. DH brought back some maple syrup from Canada and this weekend has been pancakes for everyone for breakfast, think I have countered the carb fest by walking lots and lots. Hopefully.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 15/07/2012 11:25

Well, I've ordered some of the Nuun supplements someone linked to a few pages back - was it goddessblossom? Thanks, whoever it was! I'm a bit wary of multivits, even pg-based ones, because I'm bf and have read that babies aren't meant to take in much iron. Plain electrolyte supplements may be a good way around this.

MNP · 15/07/2012 11:40

So for BBC are we following Bootcamp rules?

BIWI · 15/07/2012 11:42

It's up to you really - whatever works for you best Smile

captainmummy · 15/07/2012 11:49

So is QueenStromba an expert?

NigellasGuest · 15/07/2012 12:34

this is BOUILLON

you can buy it in Tescos, Waitrose, etc. etc.

Whippoorwhill · 15/07/2012 12:48

I typed out a huge rant and when I went to post it glitched and disappeared. I think that is the universe telling me that I'm only repeating what everyone else has said.

So, in a nutshell, haters gonna hate. Hmm

Onward and downward and all that.

Jacaqueen · 15/07/2012 13:32

Stop it BIWI.

I demand to see you cracking the whip.

None of this nicey sitting on the fence stuff if you don't mind.

This is supposed to be Bootcamp after all and I want BBC to be hardcore!

WinstonWolf · 15/07/2012 13:48

I just wanted to post and add my support.

I started lurking on thread 5 or 6, then went back and read them all. Having previously read the IPD book and flirted with low-carbing BIWI's approach and rules were just what I needed.

I've been posting on the veggie low-carb thread as opposed to here, but am still lurking in a non weird stalkery way and am very grateful for these threads and all who post on them.

Yesterday's mega rant was completely unnecessary IMO

Jins · 15/07/2012 14:05

I agree with the need for the whip.

You've put a good plan together here BIWI.

sybilfaulty · 15/07/2012 14:46

I am loving the plan and the support. BIWI, you always post to answer Qs if others have not got there first (or indeed have got it wrong!) and I am very grateful for your efforts. Thank you.

I won't go over old ground from yesterday as i would be repeating what others have said but am very much looking forward to BBC and then the rolling thread going beyond that.

Have a restful sunday everyone.

mummyduff · 15/07/2012 14:46

Yes come on BIWI crack the whip, we want hardcore BBC please x

teaandthorazine · 15/07/2012 16:05

I don't know, I leave you lot alone for a couple of days and look what happens... Wink

BIWI, saying nothing but Thanks

Right, confession time. I've been working nights, plus another night added on to be with my mate while she had her baby. Nights throw me completely out of whack and I'm not even sure what day it is tbh. Plus, the baby is quite poorly now Sad so it's all been a bit full-on. I tend to just eat whatever's nearest when managing nightshifts. So I have rather fallen back into bad old habits - have had sandwiches and chocolate and cornflakes at 3am etc etc. Terrible, I know. BAD low carber!

But it's Monday tomorrow (I think?) and I fully intend to be back on the wagon. Not sure I'm going to weigh in though Grin

mummyduff · 15/07/2012 16:09

Tea I do hope the baby gets better soon, poor little mite. x x

BIWI · 15/07/2012 16:11
NigellasGuest · 15/07/2012 16:20

of course I have now gone off on a wild goose chase about magical salts and ended up here where no end of weird and wonderful things are promised if you indulge in the right kind of salt.

apparently if you bathe in it as the moon is rising or something, wondrous things occur....

NigellasGuest · 15/07/2012 16:22

scroll down the page to learn about "moon rhythm bathing".

OHforDUCKScake · 15/07/2012 17:52

Afternoon! Well my first week is over. So far so good, today is the first day my muscles havent felt seriously fatigued. Good day all round. 4lb lost in total.

Quick question if thats ok. I knlw we need to avoid sweetners and I know we shouldnt 'want' sweet things (I dont actually have much of a sweet tooth at all) but if I really occasionally fancied something sweet without darting off the carb sugar radar, what could I have? It may or may not make a difference but I cant have dairy. Is there anything? Thanks.

Hope you've all had a good weekend.