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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

544 replies

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
SingingTunelessly · 14/07/2012 17:53

BIWI, what a gracious post. But you have absolutely nothing to apologise for. The reason I'm here is because your thread popped up in Active when I was browsing. As you know, I didn't jump straight in because in my under active thyroid flabby way I jut thought meh, rubbish another 'diet' for me to fail at. Not so!

I hope you're not too hurt by QS's remarks. Keep on doing what you're doing, I think the rest of us on here really appreciate the time and care you take in answering posts including the PMs (myself included).

Have a good night out and if you cheat I demand to know every detail. Smile.

Shimbo · 14/07/2012 18:07

OK, my LC cheesecake went down like a tonne of bricks (not in a good way in other words!). Reason being I used Stevia to sweeten and it tastes like pants, horrible aftertaste imo. I would suggest using sugar in baking/puds instead of any artificial sweeteners and just seeing desserts as a cheat/treat because it tastes SO much nicer!!

BIWI I think the attack on you is completely unjustified and I know I appreciate all the help you've given me and everyone else on LCing. For me this is a health decision more than a diet, as I don't really need to lose any weight, and I am very pleased with the results - although not sure the family is after my LC cheesecake!

QS, I think the advice re. electrolytes that you have given is valuable too, however, I think in this case it could have been dispensed a bit better Smile.

becstarsky · 14/07/2012 18:30

Nooooo we can't have a bun fight! Just think of the carbs involved!

SingingTunelessly · 14/07/2012 18:40

Grin at Becstar. That is true. I have resisted Lemon Drizzle Cake today I'll have you all know. Tbh it wasn't that difficult. I looked at all it's lemony sweetness and thought nah not worth it. Shock Grin

QueenStromba · 14/07/2012 18:41

Look whatever. This thread was set up in a very "this is what you have to do" sort of way which doesn't exactly encourage people to think for themselves. I pointed out in the last thread or the one before that babycorn is listed as anything from 2.7g to 20g+ per hundred and you didn't even bother to put a note that some sources count babycorn as more than 20g per hundred - personally I would have removed it from the list altogether due to the ambiguity. The old thread was much better because we took turns to start the new thread once the old thread was full. I admit that I started a fair few of them but that was because nobody else seemed to want to - I actually felt a bit embarrassed to post on the threads I started because I knew that a lot of people have the OP's posts highlighted and I didn't want to draw extra attention to my posts when there were so many other posters on the threads that were much more knowledgable than me. I'm going to go resurrect the last thread in the series and hopefully get some of the old group back together. I will still be checking in on this thread but only really to make sure that anyone with obvious symptoms of low potassium is advised to supplement their potassium before they either get really sick or decide that low carb isn't for them and go back to their "healthy wholegrains".

BettySuarez · 14/07/2012 18:46

BIWI I am really sorry that you have been attacked in this way Sad

I don't think you deserve it at all and I have seen nothing but support and encouragement from you on this thread. So much so that I have even plugged this thread to others and encouraged them to join us Smile

Unfortunately, my Bootcamp journey has come to an end, at least for the time being. I have been quite unwell for the past few weeks and I suspect (although can't prove it) that this is down to sodium or potassium depletion.

I am also quite shocked at the quantities of water that people are drinking - the side effects of this have the potential to be quite serious and Queen has often found herself having to point this out on numerous occasions (even to me Blush)

But queen what on earth possessed you to launch such a personal attack on BIWI? totally unnecessary Sad

SharonGless · 14/07/2012 18:53

QS how many threads would you like to yourself?
Your attack on BIWI is unjustified and unnecessary. She frequently quotes her sources. Particularly around the water, that info is on pretty much all the low carb websites which I have found via google.
It smells like sour grapes to me.

BIWI please continue with your threads

BIWItheBold · 14/07/2012 18:59

Queen. You have pointed out a very significant and potentially serious issue, which is a very good thing. What would your advice be re quantities of water that people should drink? I would appreciate your view on that.

Re the baby sweetcorn, I didn't do anything with the list - partly because all the information is so contradictory I didn't really know what to do. But again, if you saw me not doing something you thought should have been done - why not call me on it, or make the suggestion yourself? It's very passive aggressive posting as you are doing.

I'm sorry that you don't like these threads. I'm not sure why I'm getting such a bashing for that though!

Betty - I'm sorry that your journey has come to an end, and I hope you're feeling better soon.

On the basis of what has been posted about water I will re-write the bit about water. I would, however, appreciate advice as to specifically what should and shouldn't be posted.

I do not want, and never have wanted, to mislead people or give them dangerous information, so if anybody thinks stuff that has been posted or suggested is dubious, then please tell me.

OP posts:
BettySuarez · 14/07/2012 19:02

BIWI it is only a temporary stall, I need to get myself well again but I have really enjoyed my low carb diet so I am sure I will be back Smile

NigellasGuest · 14/07/2012 19:05

I have just eaten some prawns covered in loads of Lo-salt (went out to buy it while it was kicking off a bit on this thread)! The Lo-salt actually tasted sweet to me. I feel better already so thank you QS.

However I was rather shocked at your attack on BIWI - incredibly personal and unjustified as it was. I didn't feel affronted at all by BIWI asking me why I felt I needed electrolytes! If I were BIWI I would have been devastated reading that post- but she's clearly a stronger better person than me.

SingingTunelessly · 14/07/2012 19:12

Well I am a bit stumped by all this talk of potassium levels I have to say. Since starting this woe I've never felt better tbh so it's all passed me by a bit.

Anyway.

I still thank BIWI for starting Bootcamp and seeing her unjustly attacked makes me Angry

Jins · 14/07/2012 19:19

Wow. I just popped on here to suggest that those with low energy may also want to consider a good multivitamin. In my experience your levels of B vitamins can drop a bit on a low carb diet.

I'm a bit flabbergasted to be honest.

As a hardcore Atkins girl there are bits of the boot camp rules that jar with me but overall there's nothing too far wrong with them unless you're aiming for an ultra low carb induction style woe. I had a similar issue with Charles Clark and his slice of bread but at the end of the day there are many ways to low carb. I'm not sure how many people are actually following the rules anyway Grin

I'm not a fan of the super hydration theory personally although there is an awful lot of anecdotal evidence that increased fluid intake assists some people. Atkins said 6 glasses I think. That's getting on for two litres and it's reasonable. Where I differ is that I actually drink very little water Blush

I've not pushed big water intake although i have said to drink plenty to combat carb flu and I have suggested salt. Are there any issues with advice I've given on the recent threads?

Livelongandprosper · 14/07/2012 19:19

QS I thank you for your advice re electrolytes and potassium, I've taken it on board from your posts on this and previous threads.

However, I wish you had felt able to speak to BIWI privately about this before (it seems) your frustration got the better of you. She isn't psychic and these threads are not a dictatorship, even though we all joke about BIWI and her whip. She has always encouraged everyone's input and expertise as far as I can see. If you wanted her to include your advice on electrolytes and potassium at the start of the threads, how could she have known if you didn't tell her?

The personal nature of your posts to BIWI have really upset me, I can't think why you have posted as you did?

PMMummy · 14/07/2012 19:19

BIWI - business as usual Wink

jan2011 · 14/07/2012 19:46

Biwi sorry for the attack - i don't think it is at all justified either, and i have found you to be very flexible to people being in different situations and circumstances with regards to the strict bootcamp rules. its called bootcamp after all - its meant to be a jokey kick up the backside thing!

and i don't think you are big headed - but i think you have every reason to be very proud of your success and ability to lead and encourage and rightly so.

Jins · 14/07/2012 20:06

Shimbo I agree with you on the lc desserts.

Many sweeteners claim to be heat stable and suitable for baking but I've not found one that doesn't leave an aftertaste. I do use sweeteners in rhubarb etc but I've found them pretty poor in most cases. Stevia is my least favourite Grin

Desserts were probably my downfall though so making them unpleasant is probably a good thing.

I've reread the rules. I think BIWIs done a good job Grin

BIWItheBold · 14/07/2012 20:28

Right folks. Thanks for the messages of support.

Onwards and upwards and all that.

The next two weeks will be the Bootcamp Bonanza Challenge. Two weeks to see who is the biggest loser, before the end of Bootcamp v1.

Who is up for it? Grin

OP posts:
JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 14/07/2012 20:32

shimbo did you adjust the Truvia/stevia/sugar measurements in your dessert? I thought Stevia being natural was much better than Splenda. I do agree though, there is still a bit of an after taste. But I am going to continue using it and adjust the amounts again. I am thinking 1/5th sweetener to sugar ratio what they suggest in recipes... until I 'get it right'

I just want to say that this WOE is great. The amount of weight/inches that I and my DH and friends/family who have joined in have lost is incredible.

Some low carb books do suggest that potassium levels drop, and a good multi vitamin is suggested to counteract this.

I am reading Deadly Harvest at the moment and it is a bit of a plod - lots of science facts etc but very interesting. I would suggest anyone low carbing read the facts about this way of eating as well as the more digestible laymans version in IPD too.

BIWI I like that you start these threads and we can pop in and out as and when we need to. Thanks. Smile

Thegoddessblossom · 14/07/2012 20:55

[looks around to see what's what and decides to post what we had for tea anyway]

Tea: chicken breast wrapped in prosciutto with a thick layer of cream cheese mixed with pesto, serves with broccoli, leeks and mushrooms fried in butter. Blimming gorgeous.

Coffee with cream.

Poor dh still in agony Sad.

SpringGoddess · 14/07/2012 20:58

Regarding the puds - I find cooking them sweetener free and then sprinkling some Truvia(most sugar like) over the pudding just before eating works best. I made fab almond shortcake with just butter and ground almonds - freeze for best texture and then sprinkle with Truvia before eating with a big mug of tea!

Regarding the latest kerfuffle, can only say that I'm very grateful to BIWI. Attending to these threads is time consuming and I feel she does so with the best of intentions and with great humour and without her enthusiasm I would never have embarked upon true low carbing. No idea about the whole low potassium thing - is it that common? Off to google....

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 14/07/2012 21:04

Mixing strawberries with rhubarb sweetens it enough not to need sugar/Stevia etc, I find. Have also experimented with using strawberries as sweetener in other things.

DH's latest experiment: strawberry mousse. Strawberries, double cream, eggs. Didn't set by the time we ate it but was still yummy! I know strawberries aren't on bootcamp but Briffa says they're ok.

catinboots · 14/07/2012 21:25

oops

sorry for the lack of PARD Blush

you are all rather lovely

Creamtea1 · 14/07/2012 21:33

Feel a bit like bhaji gate may have triggered all this? Anyway what I did learn from all this is that a bhaji is not a bhaji...any bhaji that is the fritter variety - not allowed. Any bhaji that is basically veg in sauce - allowed.
Have never in all my curry years taken delivery of a non fritter type bhaji, but maybe that's because I frequent cheap midlands takeaways :)

SharonGless · 14/07/2012 21:43

mummyduff have been ill all day after my mums night out and only had a bottle of prosecco all night. Bleurgh

Nil by mouth until tea wen DH made home made curry which I had managed a bit of with cauliflower rice.

I also thought Stevia was the better sweetener to use as it is natural. I have only cooked with it a couple of times so need to work out the strength of it.

BIWI you can count me in for BBC

SharonGless · 14/07/2012 21:55

Have posted a request for low carb section in Recipes.
I was trawling through the wonderful recipe thread which I hav also copied as a word document and had. Lightning bulb moment. What do you think?

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