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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

544 replies

BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
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mummyduff · 14/07/2012 22:01

On no sharonGless must have been a dirty glassWink

BIWI you can count on me too for the BBC & glad you ok, as they say 'dont let the bastards get you down'Smile

Dinner for me was chicken tikka from my local indian, yummy! x

MNP · 14/07/2012 22:04

Evening :( at the personal attack.

Am grateful for the support I have recieved and tho my loss is minuscule each week I have felt supported and not judged.

I will follow the BBC but am not expecting huge losses.

My various medical conditions and medications mean I was never going to lose hugely or quickly but I feel better and that is important so that I can continue to work.

FiddleDeFat · 14/07/2012 22:20

I can kind of see QueenStromba's point with regard to this forum. The low carb section has gone from general threads of chat and support to very specific threads solely about Bootcamp, all led by one person.

If I remember correctly though, BIWI initally said she was going to do a bootcamp and asked if anyone wished to join her. I don't think she can be blamed for it being so successful! The personal attack was out of line.

Perhaps we can have a think what we want to do about threads/bootcamp/spreadsheets?

In the meantime, I have adjusted the spreadsheet slightly for the Bootcamp Bonanza Challenge. We can weigh-in as normal on Monday, and that will be the end of Week 13. But Monday also marks the start of the BBC, and the challenge is to get back to basics and see who can lose the most in two weeks.

I have a spare copy of Briffa's Escape the Diet Trap that I am happy to send to the winner. Grin

And if there's demand after this, I can easily set up another, ongoing spreadsheet.

smokinaces · 14/07/2012 22:30

How would I know if I were low on potassium? What are the signs? Would standard multivits help? Just as a pile of questions!!!

Biwi started this as a one to two week thing - the rest of us carried on with her for longer. Its suited people. And tbh I never thought about who started the threads or anything. It's all over my head, I'm not a sheep, just finally found a woe that's suited me. I didn't want to be in the original threads - they didn't suit me as there were some serious long timers on here. Tbh I've felt more comfortable in these threads.

Biwi led on for me where custy sowed a seed a year ago. I don't worship anyone, but I thank both of them for opening my eyes. And Piste for doing it first ;-)

BIWItheBold · 14/07/2012 22:44

Right. I've gone back to the last low carb thread before I started Bootcamp. The one that QueenStromba is resurrecting now, and I can see that in my enthusiasm for low carbing I probably did take over a bit.

And I'm sorry if anyone thinks that I was trying to 'steal' people from Queen's thread. It never occurred to me that that would be the case.

But Fiddle - there isn't a 'low carb' section. There is only a 'Big/Slim/Whatever Weight Loss Club' section, so I don't really understand why me starting the Bootcamp would have stopped other low carb threads Confused.

None of us own these threads. I just happen to start most - not all - of them.

If it's really going to cause this amount of upset and bad feeling, with PMs flying all over the place then fair enough. I won't start any more threads.

We can just carry on with this one until it reaches its natural end.

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BIWItheBold · 14/07/2012 22:46

And for the record, QueenStromba, as I'm sure you're coming back to read this, your posts were incredibly hurtful.

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SharonGless · 14/07/2012 23:12

BIWI Idont know if you have been receiving hurtful PMs but I wanna stick with you

Purleease

Sad that our safe happy place has been spoilt

FiddleDeFat · 14/07/2012 23:25

Okay, the low carb section/threads within Big/Slim/Whatever Weight Loss Club, then Smile. I was just trying to avoid typing out the long title of Big/Slim/Whatever Weight Loss Club!

And I agree, there was no reason why the other low carb thread couldn't have kept going. I guess most people were happy to decamp to bootcamp.

Don't overthink it now BIWI.

SingingTunelessly · 14/07/2012 23:37

I'm with you Sharon Sad that this has happened to our lovely supportive thread. Why what appears to be jealous people have had to hijack it out of some sort of spite I don't understand. Surely any sort of support for the LC woe is to be encouraged?

BIWI, please don't give up on us. Sad

BettySuarez · 15/07/2012 01:05

smokinaces if you are low on sodium or potassium then you can expect to feel very weak/lightheaded/headachy etc

I think that this is what has happened to me although I obviously don't know for certain. I have been feeling really poorly though. It's worth bearing it in mind however, especially if you have increased your water intake.

Lo-salt has been mentioned as way to counteract this (adding it to food etc) but my understanding is that this is high in potassium but low in sodium. One concern however is the risk of hyponatraemia (sodium depletion) which can be just as unpleasant as potassium depiction so I don't know whether Lo-salt is actually a good idea after all.

These are the things that would be useful to know Smile

As soon as I am on the mend I will be back with you all as I have really enjoyed low carbing. Maybe I will have to take things a bit slower second time around though.

Well done to everyone else who is doing do well x

Heartstart · 15/07/2012 02:11

Hi have just ready last few days of thread and am disappointed that QS felt the need to w rite the messages in the way she has. I have found great advice and camaraderie here and also on occasion decided that I don't agree with some of the comments. This is no different than how I have reacted to the bf, baby names, recipe, doghouse, book club threads. Mumsnet is a forum for discussion and debate we are all consenting adults who can offer advice and form their own opinions. QS you have some great info to share and are clearly an intelligent and thoughtful woman your unwarranted attack on BiWi diminishes these things.

catinboots · 15/07/2012 02:58

OMG! BIWI hasn't held a gun to anyone's head. We are all enjoying this WOE by choice! There are a zillion other threads you can join/start if you don't want to partake in this one

Biscuit Biscuit Biscuit

I smell jealousy and sour grapes.

Keep up the good work BIWI. I know I personally found your threads brilliant. No different from attending a WW/SW meeting. Group support that just happens to be guided by one poster. A poster who had invested a lot of time and effort to help others.

BIWItheBold · 15/07/2012 06:56

I hope those are low carb biscuits, catinboots! Wink

Fiddle - you're right. I was over-thinking things last night. It was hard not to, to be honest.

But.

Today is another day (to paraphrase another famous drama queen), so we carry on.

Thank you to everyone for the words of support. Those I shall focus on.

So yesterday for me:

early lunch - shallot and cheese omelette
dinner - fillet steak, butter-braised fennel, spinach in garlic butter, mushrooms in cream and wholegrain mustard sauce
coffee and water

I've bought myself a blood pressure monitor, which I shall get going today; I'm going to keep an eye on it and take readings over the next week before I go for my blood tests probably either next Friday or the following Monday, work permitting.

And now, off to the gym ...

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mummyduff · 15/07/2012 07:55

Good Morning All, lets hope for a better day todaySmile The sun is out and hopefully it will stay that way all day.

BIWI gym already I am so impressed, my heyfever is shocking so decided to give the gym a miss this morning.

Enjoy your hopefully relaxing Sunday everyone x x

smokinaces · 15/07/2012 08:23

So if I feel fine and eat salt - I eat Bacon and add salt to my cooked broccoli and cottage pie etc and have a lot of cheese - I shouldn't be worried?

I had a weird one yesterday, nothing to eat at all until gone six pm. Then had two dinners. Odd!

becstarsky · 15/07/2012 08:46

Hello all! Glad things are getting back to normal. Bravo for grace under pressure BIWI. I didn't really understand what was going on as I've only just joined this thread and wasn't on any previous LC threads. To be honest I'm not following strict bootcamp rules at all - I'm continuing with a semi paleo/primal woe informed by Dr Briffa and other sources such as Mark's Daily Apple, the Paleo Answer and others. But it happens to be low carb and fits well with the recipes and meal ideas you guys follow.

BIWI hasn't been round to my house with a big stick to tell me to change, and I don't understand why anyone would feel under pressure. I don't. It's just nice to have some people to hang out with tbh - I didn't realise you guys were here until the Briffa web chat. This is a nice busy thread full of ideas and support and information so I like it here, and I don't feel like any of you mind that I'm hanging out here. We're all just trying to eat in a way that suits our individual health aren't we? Well done BIWI for keeping it going.

I'm VERY ready for my breakfast right now, but am going to wait for DH to come out the shower before cooking for us all - bacon and eggs with mushrooms... Then we've got roast pork and lots of veg for lunch today. Crackling is just the food of the gods, isn't it?

It's sunny here too today FINALLY! The weather has been so frickin miserable for so long. Going to go for a long walk this morning just to soak up some of those sunshine vitamins.

catinboots · 15/07/2012 08:48

Nope. They are full-sugar/high-carb/low-potassium Jammy Dodgers!

put that in your pipe and smoke it QueenStromba

BIWItheBold · 15/07/2012 08:51

I prefer Toffee Dodgers myself

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GreenEyesAndHam · 15/07/2012 08:53

Morning all

My views on what went on yesterday have been covered by others already really- just to say though, I haven't been around on the board for the previous LC threads, my starting the IPD coincided with the first Bootcamp thread so these are the only ones I've known. I'd hate for them to stop, it's been like being in a club and the support and advice is so helpful IMO. Of course there are going to be disagreements from time to time, these can be aired- thats what being a community is all about. No need for personal attacks though.

Anyway hope everyone has a good day. Breakfast for me is a bowl of Total with a couple of crushed strawbs- yum

NigellasGuest · 15/07/2012 08:58

I still have terrible dreams about Tablet

NigellasGuest · 15/07/2012 09:07

Oh and FWIW I think BIWI should be called BIWItheNoble for her gracious attitude!

Have a fab Sunday everyone - let's make the most of the sunshine as i fear it is A Temporary Blip and next week will be the usual washout. It's actually wreaking havoc on my beloved garden but at least the slugs like it Sad

BettySuarez I've read your post and you have my best wishes etc. I hope someone can answer you, it looks like no one's seen it but these threads can be quite hectic Smile

BIWI · 15/07/2012 09:13

Betty - I have read that if you're low carbing and drinking plenty of water then there is less pressure upon you to reduce your salt consumption. Although whether this is true or not, I don't know, obviously.

Potassium-rich foods that are also low carb:

avocado
salmon
clams

Personally, wherever possible, I prefer to get my nutrition/nutrients through food - especially when you see the price of some supplements.

BIWI · 15/07/2012 09:21

I have always wondered why Atkins goes on about Chicken Bouillon in his book - always thought it was just an American thing Blush. Now I think I understand. It's to keep the salt level up as well as everything else.

BIWI · 15/07/2012 09:23

More info here

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