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Bootcamp Week 3 - Come and chat here

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 30/04/2012 08:41

Hopefully you've signed in and weighed in for week 3. Welcome if you're new!

Many people have seen significant weight loss - Jacaqueen has lost a spectacular 13lbs. But you need to prepare yourself for the rate of loss to slow down significantly from now on. And bear in mind:

IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR WEIGHT LOSS TO STOP ALTOGETHER IN WEEKS 3, 4 AND/OR 5.

I have put that in caps/bold because it can come as something of a shop to people when this happens. I don't know why it happens, but I know that it happens - it's happened to me, and I've read about it from many other low carbers.

Here's a piece about it from the Carblife website (well worth a visit if you want more info - but it's a much quieter site than MN)

PATTERNS OF WEIGHT LOSS
Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the lowcarb lifestyle (hehe...resistance is futile!) a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.
Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.
A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa!Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!
So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water... The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin antidiuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occuring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite supression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a good thing.
From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself ) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited. Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number).

So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occuring.
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OP posts:
LittleFrieda · 04/05/2012 11:29

Where do I buy ketosis sticks, please?

Roseformeplease · 04/05/2012 11:37

Ok - not losing much (2lbs so far) but have low carbed on and off for years so I know it is not easy when you start it again. Can anyone enlighten me - lentils (yes / no) and chick peas (yes / no). Some say yes and some no. I have done South Beach and IPD and both say different things. Thanks

ShirleyKnot · 04/05/2012 11:39

Don't do it LittleFrieda! You will become a shambling addict! Oh and don't be deflated!

teaandthorazine · 04/05/2012 11:49

Rose - no and no, sorry! Pulses are out, at least until you get to weight maintenance stage when I think IPD suggests very occasionally small amounts, but definitely not on a regular basis (iirc!)

BIWItheBold · 04/05/2012 12:03

On Bootcamp, Rose, definitely no! They are pretty carby - and although they are 'good' carby, still too high for this stage.

LF - don't deflate!

Jax - beansprouts are low carb, so don't worry about them. (2.5g carbs pr 100g)

Thegoddessblossom · 04/05/2012 13:00

Well who knew avocado was so nice? Never eaten them before because they are so full of fat!!!

Lunch - mackerel, avocado and mushroom salad with coleslaw.

BettyBathroom · 04/05/2012 14:45

This really isn't fair - I ordered some posh flavoured oils online for very nice but simple salad dressings and they have sent me some posh Italian chocs as a welcome gift and now those chocs are staring at me - dh won't eat them because they contains nuts.... and even on my sometimes slack approach to Bootcamp - these will not pass. And they made a slight mistake with the order and have offered to send more posh chocs - I have refused offer...deep breaths! Drinks more water! How much willpower is a girl expected to have!

teaandthorazine · 04/05/2012 14:49

Betty - c'mon, you can do it - you resisted the cookies yesterday, you can resist the chocs today!

(Where is this place that sends free chocs btw? Wink)

BettyBathroom · 04/05/2012 14:57

The cookies may be coming back home again as dd has asked if we can buy them all back! My dcs get a little upset when we send homemade goodies to a cake sale - they are flatteringly fond of my cooking. Smile

ShirleyKnot · 04/05/2012 14:58

can you put the chocolates in the bin and squirt fairy all over them?

RatherBeOnThePiste · 04/05/2012 15:11

ketostix addict here Blush

MrsNouveauRichards · 04/05/2012 16:16

Can you give the chocs to someone? Surely you have an elderly neighbour or someone who would really appreciate a little gift?

MNP · 04/05/2012 16:42

B : umm, meds and water
L : sausage and cucumber
D : breast of lamb all crispy, cauliflower and broccoli with cheese.

Struggling to eat as just not hungry and too much food makes me Envy

SharonGless · 04/05/2012 17:00

Quick question how the feck do I cook celeriac? Making fish pie

< DH AWAY DC driving me crazy trying not to look at the wine >

BIWItheBold · 04/05/2012 17:06

Do you want it as a mash for the top of the pie?

If so, peel it, and cut into chunks about an inch square, then boil in salted water for around 20-25 minutes till tender. Then drain, return to the pan, add large knob of butter and mash - either with a masher or with a hand blender.

Season and, if you like, add a bit of cream or a dollop of yoghurt.

ShirleyKnot · 04/05/2012 17:06

Peel it, chop into chunks, boil it until soft, mash.

I'm having it roasted tonight, just like "proper" roasties

BettyBathroom · 04/05/2012 17:10

Choc problem solved - dcs very fond of posh Italian chocs - oh they have learned well!

SharonGless · 04/05/2012 17:16

Ta, yes for mash for top of pie. Chunks bubbling away.

I could weep or drink myself into oblivion

Dd birthday tomorrow - presents to wrap
Going in mates caravan for weekend as he has buggered off- need to pack and make spag Bol
House is a decking tip as both kids off school
Wine is calling
Help

BreakOutTheKaraoke · 04/05/2012 17:39

Can you get frozen celeriac?

BreakOutTheKaraoke · 04/05/2012 17:42

Sharon, don't worry about the house, the mess will still be there tomorrow! You can't wrap presents while DD is up anyway, so forget about that til tonight. Go get your bolognaise started, put a bit of extra stock in, and leave it to simmer away while you start packing.

Leave the wine. Have some cheese instead.

GreenEyesAndHam · 04/05/2012 17:51

How do Grin

The almond cake is a godsend, a couple of slices of that, thickly sliced with butter makes a great breakfast.

L - cauli soup
T - roast chicken (skin on) with salad, coleslaw and mature cheddar cheese.

A sneaky peek at the scales this morning shows another 2lb loss this week

BIWItheBold · 04/05/2012 20:35

Here's some interesting stuff about common Low Carb mistakes:

(Apologies if the formatting doesn't work - if it doesn't, I'll post a link as well)

"No big surprise - we all make mistakes. From the newest newbie, to the person who has been low-carbing for years, we all encounter bumps in the road, or our experiments don't turn out well. Here are 10 of the most common mistakes I see in low-carb eating.

  1. Getting Off on the Wrong Foot

You don't have to take a college class to understand low-carb eating. But some people assume it means they should just eat meat all day (or other low-carb myths) or don't know where the carbs are lurking. This is really a recipe for problems. Everyone needs some basic knowledge about how reducing carbohydrates works, what foods have carbohydrates, and how to eat a balanced low-carb diet.

  1. Giving Up Too Quickly

There are lots of different approaches to low-carb eating, and there are often missteps at first, as you try to find one that works for you, or to modify an existing one. There is a tendency to over-react a bit when everything doesn't go perfectly, and give up. A prime example of this is eating too little carbohydrate at first, suffering carb crash, and deciding low-carb isn't for you. This is a shame, when a simple adjustment can usually get you through the first week comfortably, to the great rewards at the end of it.

  1. Not Enough Vegetables

Time and time again, people tell me they don't feel good eating a diet lower in carb, and it turns out they are eating almost no vegetables or fruit. This will not work in the long run. My low-carb pyramid has vegetables at the base - in other words, you should be eating more of them than any other food! Fruit, too, especially fruit low in sugar, has its place in a complete low-carb diet.

  1. Not Enough Fat

This can be a real problem. Despite some effort to get out the word about so-called "healthy fats", hardly a day goes by that I don't see or hear a negative message about fats in the diet. This leads some to attempt a low-fat version of a low-carb diet. At the beginning, some can even manage it, if they are using up a lot of their own fat (as opposed to eating it). However, fat loss inevitably slows down, and people can then become hungry if they don't add some fat to their diets. Nothing will sabotage a diet faster than hunger. So don't let this happen to you!

  1. Not Enough Fiber

Eating enough vegetables and fruit go a long way towards insuring you are getting enough fiber in your diet. There are other low-carb sources of fiber as well, and it's good to learn about them.

  1. Eating Too Much

It's true that you don't have to count calories on a low-carb diet. But that doesn't mean calories don't count! The great thing about low-carb eating is that our appetites "turn down," allowing us to eat fewer calories without getting hungry. Some people make the mistake, though, of thinking they can just keep eating and eating and still lose weight as long as the food is low-carb. Let your appetite be your guide - eat when you are hungry, and stop when you are comfortable.

  1. Lack of Planning

When you are first on a new way of eating, you'll run into old habits that need to be changed to new healthier ones. No longer can you mindlessly hit the vending machine or drive-thru. This is a good thing: Pausing to re-consider our habits is a constructive step towards making improvements in our lives. But in the case of eating, it's important to plan ahead for awhile, until our new habits come naturally. Nothing will sabotage your goals more quickly than realizing that you're hungry but you don't know what to eat.

  1. Getting into a Rut

There are people who eat the same things day after day, and like it that way. But frankly, most of us like variety, and will get bored very quickly if that is not built into the way we eat. There is no reason for not eating a wide variety of foods, and in fact, a varied diet is likely to be better for us nutritionally. Every cuisine on the planet has low-carb options - you just need to skip the starch and sugar. Also, most dishes can be "de-carbed." If you want to figure out a way to have your favorite flavors, ask in our Forum - we love to talk about what we're eating.

  1. Problem Ingredients in "Low-Carb" Packaged Foods

Be wary of meal replacement bars, ice cream, and other "treats" labeled low-carb or sugar-free. They often contain ingredients such as maltitol (the worst offender) which are just as bad as sugar in a lot of bodies. In general, products that talk about their "net carbs" or "impact carbs" deserve close scrutiny of the ingredients, and careful experimentation.

  1. Carb Creep

You're eating low-carb. You're feeling great, and the weight dropping off as if by magic. You're not hungry between meals! You have energy! You can concentrate better! Wheee! You think you'll have a piece of toast! It doesn't matter! You still feel great! You think you'll have some ice cream! Hey! You're still losing weight! A little sugar in the coffee can't hurt, can it? Maybe not, but...uh oh. Something has sent you over your own personal carb limit. Suddenly, you're having cravings, you're hungrier, you're gaining weight, and you're in a vicious circle that's hard to break of eating carbs, being hungrier, eating more carbs...ugh.
Sometimes it happens more subtly, but it's common to let more and more carbs creep in, sometimes unawares. If that happens, it's time to take stock and probably start over, at least for a few days, to break that cycle.

Bonus #11) No Exercise

There is a temptation to leave exercise out when talking about low-carb diets, because often people can be successful at first while staying sedentary. However, there are several reasons for talking about exercise in any diet discussion (Atkins called it "non-negotiable"). One is that exercise lowers insulin resistance - this is probably partly why exercise alone will tend to help many people lose a few pounds. The second is that exercise is good for our bodies in so many ways. And the third is that while we can lose weight by diet alone, at least to some extent, we are very unlikely to be able to maintain a significant weight loss without exercise."

From this site - there are some interesting/helpful links within this article as well

slowlyburningcalories · 04/05/2012 20:46

Good day, I had an idea, contacted the company as it was sort of connected to my phd, and the head of dept got back to me and said they want to hear more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was a consultant for a few years pre turning to research and it seems I can't keep away from business.

So. Weighed in to see if my luck was holdimg and 11.12, so determined to keep up with drinking water and generally low carbing, even DH said that I am looking svelt, and the mood swings I normally get with AF were limited to me asking DH to hurry up this morning. Usually everyone is running way from me to get out of the house!

heartstart · 04/05/2012 21:56

Ok all wish me luck off to Edinburgh tomorrow for wedding weekend back late mon just me and dh no kids reunion with oldest friends staying at missoni hotel where there is prosecco.......I can do it.....I can do it......I can do it.....

LackaDAILYcarb · 04/05/2012 22:03

DH is in packaging for a retailer and has been doing a comparative shop today to get packaging ideas. He takes the packs to work, we get to eat the contents....and today's offering is fish! I have a fridge (soon to be freezerful) of smoked mackeral, trout and salmon of various sorts Grin

Had a great day

B: one fried egg
Br: avocado and crispy bacon
L: aubergine with left over low carb bol sauce (who knew aubergine in butter could be soooo nice Smile)
D Roast chicken with roast mediterranean veg (did pepper for the kids in the mix, but only had one small piece) a\nd a few slices of carrot

but have had a teeny 85% choc bar and 2/3 of a bottle of wine. I didn't get the teaching job Sad nuff said.

but another lb off this morning. Will be extra good over the weekend and not weigh until Monday!

Off to try and catch up.