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BIWI's Bootcamp - Week 2 - Come and chat here

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 23/04/2012 08:14

So we have survived week one, more or less intact Grin

There has been a lot of cheating along the way - either intentional or accidental - but most people seem to be getting on with it and embracing low carbing. And we have seen some spectacular results already!

As one of the cheaters, I can tell you what you will already have discovered for yourself:

This way of eating (WOE) is an unforgiving one. If you slip up or cheat, it will show up on the scales

I know it's hard. I drank wine on both Friday and Saturday night. But it really is up to you how strict you choose to be - and therefore hopefully you will understand that it is up to you how much weight you are losing.

I realise this sounds patronising. But it's the ultimate truth of this (or any) diet.

Having said all that, I also know that there are some people who are struggling, and for whom weight loss has been very slow.

Just remember, if you have less weight to lose, then your rate of loss will be slower than those who have more to lose. And any loss, even if it's only a pound or so, is still a loss. Visualisation is always helpful for me if I think I've only lost a pound this week. Remember, a pound loss is like two packets of lard! That's a lot of fat.

And if weight loss is slow, or you're not seeing the scales move, have a long look at what you have been eating and drinking, and be really honest with yourself. Have you been following the rules? Have you been allowing carby things into your diet? Have you being drinking enough water? Try keeping a food diary so you can record everything (and I mean everything) that you're eating and drinking, as this can help you identify what might be affecting your progress.

If you still can't work out why it's happening (or not happening!), post what you've been eating and drinking here, and others might be able to help and advise you.

Anyway. Lecture over! Welcome to Week 2. Hopefully you will all see significant loss this week as well. But those of you who have lost loads in week 1 - don't expect to see the same kind of loss in this week - it's inevitable that it will slow down. Remember that sustainable, long term weight loss is around 1-2lbs per week.

And those of you who are struggling, hopefully another strict week will get things going for you! And I also hope that everyone has got through their carb withdrawals by now, and you are all feeling fantastic!

Onwards and downwards ... Grin

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NotMostPeople · 28/04/2012 17:39

It's a good news/bad news day for me today.

The bad news is that I gained 1lb putting me at a total 5lb loss and I was really hoping to have hit my 7lb target for Monday.

Good news is that after moaning to DH about how all my trousers are too big around the waist I dug out my jeans from slimmer days and they all fit! I had two pairs of the same style one a 30cm waist and the other a 29. I've never fitted into the 29, they were a mistake I thought I'd bought two 30cm waist and as I got them in New York obviously couldn't take them back. I am now comfortably in both pairs.

Honestly despite the 1lb gain I've been on cloud nine all day and DH has perked up as apparently I'm looking bootilicious Grin.

Livelongandprosper · 28/04/2012 17:50

I had a bad day on Thursday, I didn't plan ahead so I didn't eat enough and felt pretty crap. I made sure I ate plenty on Friday, although sticking to the rules! I had lots to eat and it was all smothered in butter with mayo on the side, three big meals that left me feeling so full when I went to bed I thought I must surely put on a couple of pounds overnight. However..... I weighed myself this morning and the scales toyed with staying on my target weight then nipped up to the pound above. I am really hoping that tomorrow I might make my target but if I don't I'll try not to be too cheesed off because I don't crave the sweet stuff like I did two weeks ago and that is a great outcome for me.

I'm planning now on how to prevent slipping back into my old ways of replacing meals with cake and biscuits. It's pretty much a habit so I'm looking for things to do instead of reaching for the biscuits. I'm thinking maybe I will start knitting again, I just need to find a small knitting project to start with.

Livelongandprosper · 28/04/2012 17:52

NotMostPeople That sounds like a good news day to me! Well done!

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 28/04/2012 17:54

Good news, NMP! (Ignore the scales - how your clothes fit is much more important!)

Ohforfoxsake - Bootcamp Light rules will be posted on a new thread, on Sunday/Monday.

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 28/04/2012 18:04

But here they are:

1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs.
You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

5. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.

7. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

8. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

9. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

10. Avoid artificial sweeteners
The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.

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Livelongandprosper · 28/04/2012 18:08

Thanks BIWI, looking forward to seeing the new rules.

I could never have done this without your thread. Mars, Rowntrees and Nestle are probably not very grateful but I certainly am.

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 28/04/2012 18:11
Grin
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ohforfoxsake · 28/04/2012 18:20

Thanks BIWI. I like to plan (obsess) ahead. Grin

GreenEyesAndHam · 28/04/2012 18:25

Thank you for your good wishes ladies, I'm happy to report one husband home safe and sound and enjoying a long awaited and well deserved beer.

Not a great day for my scran though- I didn't eat! A shake for breakfast, and then nowt. So I made up for it this evening with a large portion of BIWI's Shepherds Pie, and an absolute mound of tenderstem broccoli. Will also catch up on my water intake tonight

ohforfoxsake · 28/04/2012 18:40

Well done to your DH Greeneyesandham!

The processed meat is my stumbling block. Today's a bad example. Had bacon for Brekkie, sausages and a burger for lunch (with salad) and having take away for dinner (probably mixed grill and salad from
the Indian take away).

Have planned better for next week.

LittleFrieda · 28/04/2012 18:42

Will I have to stay on this thread on my own? Because I didn't start doing this until Wednesday.

B Egg, bacon, mushrooms
L Caesar Salad with chicken ready made from Waitrose (I chucked away the croutons)
D Chilli aubergine beef bake (recipe below) with watercress salad

Melanzane Parmigianatkins

Finely chop 1 shallot and sautee until soft
Add 500g minced aberdeen angus and brown
Add 1tsp dried chilli flakes
Add 1 tsp Marmite
Slice one large aubergine and add to the pan
Slice 8 mushrooms and add to the pan
Add 8 cherry tomatoes
Cook for 4 mins on the top, making sure all the ingredients are well mixed up, then transfer to an oven dish (I used a le Creuset so didn't need to transfer pans) top with fine shavings of parmesan and cheddar and some chopped basil and place in the oven for 25 mins until golden brown.

ohforfoxsake · 28/04/2012 18:45

Nah, I'll be around for a while yet.Smile

LittleFrieda · 28/04/2012 18:50

ohforfox - Great. Smile

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 28/04/2012 19:08

LittleFrieda - some people are going to stay on Bootcamp, others are going to move towards Bootcamp Light - but I'm not going to start another chat thread. The new one will be the next weigh-in thread. Gets too confusing otherwise!

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BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 28/04/2012 19:09

... so chat will stay here, is what I was trying to say!

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heartstart · 28/04/2012 19:16

I only started this week too littler read and I will be around for quite sometime seeing how much I have to lose Blush

heartstart · 28/04/2012 19:17

Sorry littlefrieda

slowlyburningcalories · 28/04/2012 19:38

M going back to bootcamp. Aftr two weeks of being pretty diligent I fell at the first hurdle today and we shall not mention the staggering volume of cake and chocolate I have put away (although most of it was too sweet and got knows why I ate it).

Sigh.

SharonGless · 28/04/2012 19:44

Am saying nowt regarding our glorious leader

Making food for this fecking party tomorrow plus getting DC to decorate party bags plus sorting the lunch boxes which I thought was a good idea.

BIWI forgive me but I NEED vodka to get me through tonight.

Ps licked the bowl of the first lot of cupcakes and nearly gagged at how sweet it was Envy

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 28/04/2012 19:49
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LittleFrieda · 28/04/2012 19:51

Well that's great that everyone is staying here, on this thread.

EatenAllTheEasterEggs · 28/04/2012 19:52

Oh no have failed BADLY. Last night I drank shed loads of wine and ate some chipstick crisps. Bad. Weighed myself this morning and had put on half a pound. Today had a good breakfast of 2 rashers of bacon and a poached egg but then went to a crafty thing and was offered chocolate cake and I cracked. Skipped lunch to compensate but then thought, well I've F*ked up so I might as well make the whole day a F*k up and promptly went and had a caffeinated Latte and some caramel shortbread Shock. Have now been nibbling on some prawns in filo pastry and prawns in bedcrumbs.

This is going to cost me dearly - could easily put a couple of pounds on me couldn't it? What a numpty I am.

Can someone please give me a kick up the arse!

BIWIWhoMustBeObeyed · 28/04/2012 19:59
Grin

Water, water and more water tomorrow

And I will share my remedy for serious cheating at some point ...

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DoUntoOtters · 28/04/2012 20:07

Share it very soon, please BIWI, and if anyone knows how to refuse their DCs' culinary creations, please pass it on.

Triple chocolate Brownies anyone? DD made them herself.

LittleFrieda · 28/04/2012 20:07

EatenAllTheEasterEggs - Just go back to it tomorrow. I'm very jealous of the caramel shortbread. Grin Perhaps it was as a result of the shedloads of wine? Hangovers are diet saboteurs.

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